Originally posted by quanchi112
Arrows, etc. travel with greater force than Link's sword strikes due to their speed. We also have super human strngth from trolls, Etc. We have no feats of the gorons taking down armies. You can pretend these guys are super invulnerable when they simply aren't. We have seen link ko'd from weakerBulbin mooks.Gandalf at his best took on a Balrog who the rest of his party could not affect due to his power. The party beat the cave troll and did not lose a man. Far less than a cave troll has Ko'd andbeaen Link.
At least we agree that nothing else save the strongest can take Gorons. Progress. Sadly not even Trolls seeing as its best strength feet is breaking off stone and wielding that mace. Otherwise its strikes only partially stunned both humans, and for a split second Frodo holding onto a ledge was able to resist its pull. Not to mention both men made it stumble back when pulling on its chain.. Now Gorons already have that as their livelihood is punching out tunnels with their fists to mine, and can fling each other to a second floor of a house. All casual, daily life. They can easily tank their own punches, so a Troll isn't doing much. Which is a shame because there's only a handful of things stronger than one. Once again I must mention that humans throwing blades pierced its body, when a much stronger characters strike could not.
Why is that impressive when they struggled to defeat a single Troll?
On the strength level I'd only list Ents. And even they were in trouble when faced 3:1 with orks when they got knocked and pinned down.
And again, Twibeasts are the real gamechangers.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Doesn't the fact that Twilight can still affect beings in the Twilight Realm, where the Light Spirits do not exists, prove that its powers work independently of the Spirits?
Yeah, but you already know he'll...
A) Repeat himself again as if it somehow makes a point.
B) Misinterpret/make shit up and proceed to claim he's "already proved it", then fail to cite his alleged proof.
C) "Middle Earth has never been covered in Twilight, so it won't work on them!"
D) All of the above.
Originally posted by BloodRainFleshy parts can be punctured, slashed, and gashed. Sorry but Link does not possess superhuman strength to the level you are proclaiming. His sword strikes can be parried left and right. If you want to prove arrows bounce off their flesh then feel free to prove it.
Cool, now prove these arrows are stronger than Link's strike.At least we agree that nothing else save the strongest can take Gorons. Progress. Sadly not even Trolls seeing as its best strength feet is breaking off stone and wielding that mace. Otherwise its strikes only partially stunned both humans, and for a split second Frodo holding onto a ledge was able to resist its pull. Not to mention both men made it stumble back when pulling on its chain.. Now Gorons already have that as their livelihood is punching out tunnels with their fists to mine, and can fling each other to a second floor of a house. All casual, daily life. They can easily tank their own punches, so a Troll isn't doing much. Which is a shame because there's only a handful of things stronger than one. Once again I must mention that humans throwing blades pierced its body, when a much stronger characters strike could not.
Why is that impressive when they struggled to defeat a single Troll?
On the strength level I'd only list Ents. And even they were in trouble when faced 3:1 with orks when they got knocked and pinned down.
And again, Twibeasts are the real gamechangers.
Just like Link and Bo minus the weight can wrestle with Gorons despite their size and strength advantage due to the boots. Frodo can't slug it out with trolls or out wrestle them.
They beat the troll and did not lose a man. They also fought a lot more than one troll prior to. Link lost to two mooks.
Nah, Twibeasts are pathetic. They are outnumbered to the point of hilarity.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You have to stop light from getting there and that isn't happening due to the sun.
Hyrule has a sun, too, and...
Originally posted by BloodRain
Twilight can still affect beings in the Twilight Realm, where the Light Spirits do not exists,
Meaning...
its powers work independently of the Spirits.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Spirits are a key component for providing the light to Hyrule which throws their world out of balance.They cannot stop the sun from providing light to Middle Earth.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Doesn't the fact that Twilight can still affect beings in the Twilight Realm, where the Light Spirits do not exists, prove that its powers work independently of the Spirits?
Originally posted by The Scenario
Zant also brought down Twilight while in the presence of a Light Spirit without stealing its light, so I honestly don't know what quan is going on about here.
Originally posted by quanchi112Haha when? We have Link who by your admittance is superstrong (note I only said stronger then the human mooks) slashing away at Gorons with no damage . But hey, do explain how they will all of a sudden be subjected to the blunt and blade damage they have shown to resist constantly.
Fleshy parts can be punctured, slashed, and gashed. Sorry but Link does not possess superhuman strength to the level you are proclaiming. His sword strikes can be parried left and right. If you want to prove arrows bounce off their flesh then feel free to prove it.Just like Link and Bo minus the weight can wrestle with Gorons despite their size and strength advantage due to the boots. Frodo can't slug it out with trolls or out wrestle them.
They beat the troll and did not lose a man. They also fought a lot more than one troll prior to. Link lost to two mooks.
Nah, Twibeasts are pathetic. They are outnumbered to the point of hilarity.
I like how you avoided them hitting normal humans to have them stand up instantly, barely phased. Which is funny because that was basically you're entire argument about how Sauron is stronger than Link. So are you going to admit the Trolls can't harm humans, or admit they can due to strength feats?
Yes, and it only took a half dozen nearly shitting themselves to do so. The second you introduce a being with any superhuman strength they are deemed a large threat and need multiple men to sort it out. Nothing has been shown on a Gorons level.
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Oh? So beasts that can one-shot armoured humans in a world (LotR) where 99% of the combatants are basically humans aren't a threat?
Beasts that can bring back slain allies with a shout wont be a bother?
"If you leave the last one alive, it's just going to use that shriek to bring the others back."
Beasts that can infect and change people in to one of them isnt a big deal?
"Once they attack, it's OVER! Remember the lady from the general store? Just one of those things attacked her, and a whole gang from town went to save her! And what happened? She was already gone, and there were TWO monsters waitin'! ...You connectin' the dots? That means that if we get attacked by them, then we'll be..."
You throw in a couple of these and in no times you'll have a dozen more, all being brought back from any injury suffered. They would infest their way through the forces.
Originally posted by BloodRainThe characters in Lotr are super humanly skilled and strong. Look at Legolas, Aragorn, etc.
Haha when? We have Link who by your admittance is superstrong (note I only said stronger then the human mooks) slashing away at Gorons with no damage . But hey, do explain how they will all of a sudden be subjected to the blunt and blade damage they have shown to resist constantly.I like how you avoided them hitting normal humans to have them stand up instantly, barely phased. Which is funny because that was basically you're entire argument about how Sauron is stronger than Link. So are you going to admit the Trolls can't harm humans, or admit they can due to strength feats?
Yes, and it only took a half dozen nearly shitting themselves to do so. The second you introduce a being with any superhuman strength they are deemed a large threat and need multiple men to sort it out. Nothing has been shown on a Gorons level.
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Oh? So beasts that can one-shot armoured humans in a world (LotR) where 99% of the combatants are basically humans aren't a threat?
Beasts that can bring back slain allies with a shout wont be a bother?
[b]"If you leave the last one alive, it's just going to use that shriek to bring the others back."Beasts that can infect and change people in to one of them isnt a big deal?
"Once they attack, it's OVER! Remember the lady from the general store? Just one of those things attacked her, and a whole gang from town went to save her! And what happened? She was already gone, and there were TWO monsters waitin'! ...You connectin' the dots? That means that if we get attacked by them, then we'll be..."You throw in a couple of these and in no times you'll have a dozen more, all being brought back from any injury suffered. They would infest their way through the forces. [/B]
TRolls can harm humans just as humans can hurt Gorons. This invulnerability fantasy you have where it comes to fantasy characters is insane. You admitted they can be hurt. Elves, trolls, uruk hai, Wizards, Ents, goblins, orcs, to the point of over 1,000 to 1 Tp character.
Link with aid defeated the shadow beasts and you're telling me they route middle earth because they attacks some hick woman outside a store. But judging from your fanboyism I guess that woman by the store could bench press a skyscraper.
Care to show me superhuman strength feats that solidifies them as anything more than peak human?
So even though its only showings against humans has both humans brushing off its hits, it is still considered powerful enough to take em out? Lol if I admit it can be hurt, how is that me saying they're invulnerable? What I am saying is that Gorons have literally tanked blades, points, blunt force and explosions above anything besides what Ents have shown.
Oh, and you're missing one key point with your 1,000:1 stance, and that's opportunity. Assuming they can can inflict as much damage as someone far stronger than them, this only counts if they can attack the /front/ of a Goron before it kills them. This is because..
A) Beings who punch and even bite through solid rock will shatter any mook with a single hit. (And no, their admitted friendly wrestling would not have killed Bo as they are a notorious non-violent clan in arms with the villages)
B) The sword, arrow and blunt damage they have tanked above is their softer underside, not their much tougher hides.
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Do you know how Link defeated them? Only one of two ways ;
1. As a wolf have Midna paralyzed two or more so he can do a rapid dash through them so they die simultaneously.
2. As a human, use the spin attack to finish off at least the last two simultaneously.
Unless they are killed off at the same time, they will just being the fallen back to life.
Now think about the situation. What are the chances that all of the TwiBeasts will be killed in the same second? Given their human one-shot strength, and ability to change the people they defeat into more of them.. what do you see happening?