Originally posted by abhilegend
And Pak had Warpath cut his skin with vibranium knives and all that. Superman has taken attacks from persuader's axe which can and did cut through dimensions and time in the very same issue without being cut.Superman is insanely durable against cutting attack. Much more than hulk.
In the scans you posted you can visibly see Superman is cut on his chest: http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Superman/as602p16-1.jpg.html
And it's very debatable if the weapon cut through space/time in typical sense, it's not as if he swung the axe and it tore a hole in reality, Parker is spinning the axe similar to how Thor does with Mjolnir to create some kind of portal. IIRC he needed several swipes just to bring down the Daily Planet building.
Current Superman is more durable than current Hulk? I've seen Hulk bleed twice since Marvel NOW started, Gravage Hulk (same incarnation Pak used) was cut by Wolverine and Indestructible Hulk was cut by a weapon that can slice atoms in two. In between he has shrugged off everything from Adamantium melting weapons to being physically attacked by time itself without injury. Superman has some good feats but from what I've seen he bleeds more now than ever before.
Originally posted by The SorrowHulk has never resisted being cut by sharp adamantium objects. In WWH those things were penetrating him. And you are not correctly assessing the wolverine fight in WWH. Wolverine is shown to stab him up good (deeply) but remarks on how harder it is to do. DD is astronomically stronger than Logan and has pierced Superman like he was made of liquid. He even sent a claw through Superman's body like Superman wasn't even there.
Yes which was under Pak aswell. Hulk has resisted Adamantium and Vibranium before though too it really depends on the writer, the last time he and Wolverine fought he only seemed to have scratches. I think Doomsday could scratch Hulk but I don't see his claws going clean through him just because he did it to Kal 20 years ago. Both Superman and Hulk have grown in power significantly since 1994.In the scans you posted you can visibly see Superman is cut on his chest: http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Superman/as602p16-1.jpg.html
And it's very debatable if the weapon cut through space/time in typical sense, it's not as if he swung the axe and it tore a hole in reality, Parker is spinning the axe similar to how Thor does with Mjolnir to create some kind of portal. IIRC he needed several swipes just to bring down the Daily Planet building.
Current Superman is more durable than current Hulk? I've seen Hulk bleed twice since Marvel NOW started, Gravage Hulk (same incarnation Pak used) was cut by Wolverine and Indestructible Hulk was cut by a weapon that can slice atoms in two. In between he has shrugged off everything from Adamantium melting weapons to being physically attacked by time itself without injury. Superman has some good feats but from what I've seen he bleeds more now than ever before.
So if DD can send a claw completely through Superman as if he is made of liquid then he can do the same to Hulk.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Lol you must've not have read a Hulk comic before. A Doombot cut pieces of his brain out with an Adamantium chainsaw while he was still awake and coherent and being gutted is a cakewalk for him to deal with. It's no guarantee Doomsday would pierce his skin either.Team has too much power and versatility to lose to Doomsday.
Being gutted would seriously damage Hulk but not take him completely out of the fight. Cutting pieces off the brain isn't anything. Human's can withstand that. Remember Hulk can be koed so let's not act like he can't. And being koed is a function of the brain being affected. Nothing can affect the brain more than sending a claw completely through it.
Team doesn't have enough power at all. DD is too durable. He tanked an attack that no one on the team can match. He heals instantly. He adapts on the fly to become more resistant or completely immune. So if they manage to scratch him up a little then he would simply heal and adapt to be even more resistant. Numbers doesn't stack power. It's still like fighting a bunch of fodder. Now combine all the members of the team into one being and now we have a fight. But as individuals I doubt they would do jack shit to DD but pis him off and make him more powerful and more unstoppable.
Also you are forgetting that DD is insanely fast and has the ability to blitz the entire team simultaneously before they can respond.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk has never resisted being cut by sharp adamantium objects. In WWH those things were penetrating him. And you are not correctly assessing the wolverine fight in WWH. Wolverine is shown to stab him up good (deeply) but remarks on how harder it is to do. DD is astronomically stronger than Logan and has pierced Superman like he was made of liquid. He even sent a claw through Superman's body like Superman wasn't even there.
Superman has always been significantly more durable than Hulk in every way (especially cutting force).So if DD can send a claw completely through Superman as if he is made of liquid then he can do the same to Hulk.
The rest of your post is based on some pre-conceived notion that Hulk has never been as durable as Superman, not from reading the material yourself. Prior to Peter David jumping on the book in the late 80's/early 90's Hulk didn't need a healing factor and his body was indestructible. Now it seems the books have come full circle.
Well you believe HP Doomsday would beat any Marvel character short of Galactus so it's no surprise you think he would solo this team.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
I wasn't talking about the WWH fight with Wolverine, that happened 7 years ago and they have fought since then. Tbh H1 there's no point in replying to my post as you don't even read comics and have probably never read a Hulk book in your life.The rest of your post is based on some pre-conceived notion that Hulk has never been as durable as Superman, not from reading the material yourself. Prior to Peter David jumping on the book in the late 80's/early 90's Hulk didn't need a healing factor and his body was indestructible. Now it seems the books have come full circle.
Well you believe HP Doomsday would beat any Marvel character short of Galactus so it's no surprise you think he would solo this team.
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Originally posted by The SorrowSo he was. Its one of the most defining runs in hulk's history. You can't just discard it.
Yes which was under Pak aswell.
Hulk has resisted Adamantium and Vibranium before though too it really depends on the writer, the last time he and Wolverine fought he only seemed to have scratches.The last time Logan fought Hulk in savage wolverine, he stabbed clean through his skull and knocked him out. Its all been retconned later in wolverine origins.
I think Doomsday could scratch Hulk but I don't see his claws going clean through him just because he did it to Kal 20 years ago.He would absolutely punch clean through Hulk, its not even in debate.
Both Superman and Hulk have grown in power significantly since 1994.So they did. Doomsday was still above a normal superman when superman was at his peak in OWAW.
In the scans you posted you can visibly see Superman is cut on his chest: http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Superman/as602p16-1.jpg.htmlWTF are you talking about? Its a cut on his costume. We see him closely in the next scan and there is no cut at all.
And it's very debatable if the weapon cut through space/time in typical sense, it's not as if he swung the axe and it tore a hole in reality, Parker is spinning the axe similar to how Thor does with Mjolnir to create some kind of portal. IIRC he needed several swipes just to bring down the Daily Planet building.Then you don't know anything about Persuader's ax, do you? It cuts through anything and everything. Google it.
Current Superman is more durable than current Hulk?Who is talking about current hulk and current superman?
I've seen Hulk bleed twice since Marvel NOW started, Gravage Hulk (same incarnation Pak used) was cut by Wolverine and Indestructible Hulk was cut by a weapon that can slice atoms in two. In between he has shrugged off everything from Adamantium melting weapons to being physically attacked by time itself without injury.Good thing he was also KTFO by residual energy from Thor, right?
Superman has some good feats but from what I've seen he bleeds more now than ever before.Like bleeding from mostly mystical attacks is such a bad thing. One thing's for sure, wolverine isn't stabbing him through head. Even Thor didn't got cut up so badly. Also this is about preboot superman and doomsday. When was the last time anybody cut preboot superman without magic? Google it and come back to me.
In the scan that Sorrow posted, you can see what appears to be an actual cut on Superman's chest, not just his suit.
I mean, that's what that line in between the cut through the s-shield seems to indicate in my honest opinion. Though in scans after that, it seems that the cut itself isn't shown save on his costume. Most logical (and fair) assumption would be that the axe DID cut Superman, but it was a glancing/superficial cut of some kind and Superman's body healed it in a matter of panels.
Still a pretty good feat for Superman, though.
Originally posted by carver9Like?
ABHI...Superman has been dropped by far less.
Please don't start the lowballing. As for the durability part, Sorrow is right, nothing short of plot weapons has damaged indestructible Hulk. Example...I can't see Despero bone claws cutting this version of Hulk like it did Superman.Wolverine's claws disagree. Also combined with Despero's above superman level strength, why not?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In the scan that Sorrow posted, you can see what appears to be an actual cut on Superman's chest, not just his suit.I mean, that's what that line in between the cut through the s-shield seems to indicate in my honest opinion. Though in scans after that, it seems that the cut itself isn't shown save on his costume. Most logical (and fair) assumption would be that the axe DID cut Superman, but it was a glancing/superficial cut of some kind and Superman's body healed it in a matter of panels.
Still a pretty good feat for Superman, though.
No cut at all.
Same after the scan sorrow mentioned.
So at best its an artist mistake.
Originally posted by carver9
Titus almost one shot killing him. Or, some magical birds dropping him.Wolverine claws>>>>>Despero BONE claws.
Why? Does wolverine gets despero's strength too? Wolverine's bone claws have cut hulk too BTW.
Re: Re: Defenders vs HP Doomsday
Originally posted by h1a8dude surfer and strange could team up and beat him.
HP wins. Heals instantly adapts on the fly. Basically already immune to team's energy projection (tanked full force OB and entire JL blasts without having to adapt). The only way for the team to beat DD is if they do it physically and instantly (before it can fully heal or adapt). But I'm not sure the team can do it, especially with HP attacking and moving so fast and either hitting some of the away.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Titus was a God, make your mind about it. Again some magical birds.Why? Does wolverine gets despero's strength too? Wolverine's bone claws have cut hulk too BTW.
Thor is a god along with numerous of other people Hulk has fought. It doesn't matter since I'm not trying to get into a lowball contest with you. No one asked you what type of energy attack stopped Hulk, Sorrow is talking about current Hulk vs Piercing attacks.
Wolverine claws has better fts than Despero claws and Wolverine claws is made out of one of fhe strongest metals in comics. Despero bone claws isn't close to being as durable, let alone sharper than Adamantium claws...especially based off fts.
Originally posted by carver9The same way blunt force making superman bleed has nothing to do with piercing attacks.
Thor is a god along with numerous of other people Hulk has fought. It doesn't matter since I'm not trying to get into a lowball contest with you. No one asked you what type of energy attack stopped Hulk, Sorrow is talking about current Hulk vs Piercing attacks.
Wolverine claws has better fts than Despero claws and Wolverine claws is made out of one of fhe strongest metals in comics.That's why his bone claws have failed to cut steel.
Despero bone claws isn't close to being as durable, let alone sharper than Adamantium claws...especially based off fts.It doesn't have to be. Despero's strength coupled with his claws are enough to scratch superman. Just like Wendigo being able to carve hulk like a turkey in the same comic where wolverine couldn't. Doesn't makes Wendigo's claws more durable or sharper than wolverine. Its because of his strength+claws.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The same way blunt force making superman bleed has nothing to do with piercing attacks.That's why his bone claws have failed to cut steel. It doesn't have to be. Despero's strength coupled with his claws are enough to scratch superman. Just like Wendigo being able to carve hulk like a turkey in the same comic where wolverine couldn't. Doesn't makes Wendigo's claws more durable or sharper than wolverine. Its because of his strength+claws.
I told you to stop TRYING to bring up low showings involving indestructible Hulk because for one, Thor energy output doesn't have a thing to do with piercing, and two, I said what I said because Superman has fts just as bad. You asked me what, so I told you. You basically tried to bait Sorrow into another dispute that was outside of his interpretation of Hulk durability vs piercing damage (the typical ABHI).
When did Wendigo cut Indestructible Hulk? You know, the same Hulk Sorrow was talking about (stop baiting ABHI).
Like I've said before, based off fts, Wolverine claws are more durable and much more sharper than Despero bone claws. Also, when did Wolverine cut Waid Hulk? If you're using current Hulk in general, the last time Wolverine and Hulk fought, Hulk was weakened...being injected by some type of poison that was taking his strength.
Originally posted by carver9That wasn't in reply to you to begin with. it was Sorrow. Stop being a petulant boy.
I told you to stop TRYING to bring up low showings involving indestructible Hulk because for one, Thor energy output doesn't have a thing to do with piercing, and two, I said what I said because Superman has fts just as bad.
You asked me what, so I told you. You basically tried to bait Sorrow into another dispute that was outside of his interpretation of Hulk durability vs piercing damage (the typical ABHI).And you're what, his knight in armor?
When did Wendigo cut Indestructible Hulk?When did DD went against Current Superman?
You know, the same Hulk Sorrow was talking about (stop baiting ABHI).
Current Superman is more durable than current Hulk? I've seen Hulk bleed twice since Marvel NOW started, Gravage Hulk (same incarnation Pak used) was cut by Wolverine and Indestructible Hulk was cut by a weapon that can slice atoms in two. In between he has shrugged off everything from Adamantium melting weapons to being physically attacked by time itself without injury. Superman has some good feats but from what I've seen he bleeds more now than ever before.Shut up.
Like I've said before, based off fts, Wolverine claws are more durable and much more sharper than Despero bone claws.And based on feats Despero is much more stronger than superman, let alone wolverine. You know how knives work, don't you carver? Force and surface area and whatnot?
Also, when did Wolverine cut Waid Hulk? If you're using current Hulk in general, the last time Wolverine and Hulk fought, Hulk was weakened...being injected by some type of poison that was taking his strength.Savage Wolverine which was published in Marvel Now. He stabbed through Hulk's head and KTFO him.
