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Originally posted by XanatosForever
So, ElsaSpoiler:
is a powerful cryokinetic, able to freeze an entire fjord solid in moments and construct an intricate ice castle of moderate size against the side of a mountain within minutes. She can also create sentient snow/ice constructs of various sizes, some with the ability to manifest greater offensive capabilities on their own. When in full control of her power, she can melt said fjord in even less time than it took to freeze, and can conjure microclimates. Her cryokinesis is explicitly stated to be magic, and if she strikes a person with it directly, it freezes them from the inside. A direct hit to their heart will doom a person to freeze solid unless an act of "true love" can "melt the ice", basically breaking the spell. The freezing process is slow, but clearly effective, and there's nothing saying that multiple magical strikes couldn't speed up the process.
Uh, did we forget what Gandalf has while rubbing ourselves to release watching Frozen?
He has TK, he heated up Aragorn's sword from medium distance in seconds, summoned lightning to his sword in the fight with the Balrog who was living flame, could blind people with excessive bright light as he did in Fangorn Forest, destroyed the bridge at Khazad-dum with his staff, and even in the film posssessed Narya, the Ring of Fire which he received from Cirdan the Ship-Wright.
Bloodlusted Gandalf the White is ****ing terrifying, bordering on Sauron levels of power and possibly not being restricted in his powers use by Eru. He could very easily heat her up like Hot Pocket or burn her eyes out if he has no mortalsmorals.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Uh, did we forget what Gandalf has while rubbing ourselves to release watching Frozen?He has TK, he heated up Aragorn's sword from medium distance in seconds, summoned lightning to his sword in the fight with the Balrog who was living flame, could blind people with excessive bright light as he did in Fangorn Forest, destroyed the bridge at Khazad-dum with his staff, and even in the film posssessed Narya, the Ring of Fire which he received from Cirdan the Ship-Wright.
Bloodlusted Gandalf the White is ****ing terrifying, bordering on Sauron levels of power and possibly not being restricted in his powers use by Eru. He could very easily heat her up like Hot Pocket or burn her eyes out if he has no
mortalsmorals.
Elsa froze an entire country when she got scared. She shits on Gandalf pretty hard in raw power. His TK is nothing more than a push, his heat is no match for Elsa's cold, he needs a storm to summon lightning and she can control the weather, blinding her won't help since she can attack omni-directionally and his bridge thing isn't useful here.
No, Gandalf is pretty tame. He's nothing to Sauron. I highly doubt he's be able to heat her significantly (ice magic remember) like he did to Aragorns sword and if we're going that route, she turns him to snow with a wave of her hand and blows him away.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Uh, did we forget what Gandalf has while rubbing ourselves to release watching Frozen?
I did not.
He has TK,
IMO his most significant advantage.
he heated up Aragorn's sword from medium distance in seconds,
Compared to Elsa, who froze a fjord in seconds.
summoned lightning to his sword in the fight with the Balrog who was living flame,
K.
could blind people with excessive bright light as he did in Fangorn Forest,
And Elsa likewise could do the same with a snowstorm.
destroyed the bridge at Khazad-dum with his staff,
Not too impressive.
and even in the film posssessed Narya, the Ring of Fire which he received from Cirdan the Ship-Wright.
Which did what, exactly?
Bloodlusted Gandalf the White is ****ing terrifying, bordering on Sauron levels of power and possibly not being restricted in his powers use by Eru. He could very easily heat her up like Hot Pocket or burn her eyes out if he has nomortalsmorals.
In terms of power, not a single being in the Tolkien films even compares to Elsa.
No, not even Sauron.
The reason Gandalf might make this a fight is due to her own relative fragility, but at the same time, Gandalf's superhuman aspect aside, Elsa is easily powerful enough to take him out in one shot.
Heat her up like a hot pocket or burn her eyes out eh? Can you show me him doing such in the films to anything save a blade?
Because it's not like Gandalf is inclined to go easy on orcs, goblins, or trolls. Yet he never busted something like that out, to my recollection.
Elsa could similarly very easily freeze him solid, even if you were right.
The OP suggests that Gandalf is not being held back. I'd like to submit that Gandalf in all the films is holding back at all times since Eru has forbidden the Maiar wizards to use their full powers in thwarting Sauron, to prevent fallout damage. They are relegated to token assistance of the mortal races of Middle-Earth.
Gandalf has incredible reflexes, durability, and wisdom. He has demonstrated TK. He has demonstrated the ability to heat things up with his mind. He is bloodlusted.
It's very reasonable to assume he could trip her, suspend her in air, nuke her innards, and blind her within the span of a few seconds. Hell, in the Desolation of Smaug, Gandalf practically flashsteps at Dol Guldur.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The OP suggests that Gandalf is not being held back. I'd like to submit that Gandalf in all the films is holding back at all times since Eru has forbidden the Maiar wizards to use their full powers in thwarting Sauron, to prevent fallout damage. They are relegated to token assistance of the mortal races of Middle-Earth.
lol book feats
Gandalf has incredible reflexes,
Enough to block an arrow on-screen.
durability,
Not enough to withstand being frozen.
and wisdom.
K.
He has demonstrated TK. He has demonstrated the ability to heat things up with his mind. He is bloodlusted.
Go on.
It's very reasonable to assume he could trip her,
Trip her with what?
suspend her in air,
Perhaps, and Elsa just allows him to do this? She required minimal motion to freeze over that fjord and put the kingdom in an Endless Winter.
nuke her innards,
Never demonstrated. Stop making up powers.
and blind her within the span of a few seconds.
Elsa can also blind Gandalf and freeze him over in the span of a few seconds, and actually has the feats to back this assertion up.
Hell, in the Desolation of Smaug, Gandalf practically flashsteps at Dol Guldur.
Context on this?
On the latter, Gandalf gives an entire goblin army at Dol Guldur the slip, with what appears to be either temporary invisibility or magic flashstep. He then books it like a Kenyan.
Also, your favoritism for Elsa makes this thread seem like attempted spite. You haven't seen The Desolation of Smaug nor are you aware of what the Istari really are and what they're capable of . You can go "LOLBOOKFEATS" but that's ignoring that Gandalf in the film is fundamentally still an angelic being with a greater ring of power holding back the entire time he's on screen because the effective god of Middle-Earth thinks three Maiar fighting Sauron would be more harmful than the War of the Ring.
I admit that I have not seen Frozen (because it doesn't grab my attention) but I'm batting for Gandalf because of overwhelming nay saying from you and your lover/sub/straw feminist Neph. The guy needs someone in his corner.
We see Gandalf the White deflect an elf arrow, blind three people, and make Aragorn's blade so hot he has to drop it in less time than it takes to refresh this page, and yet you're saying Elsa wins because of what she's done to inanimate settings?
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
On the latter, Gandalf gives an entire goblin army at Dol Guldur the slip, with what appears to be either temporary invisibility or magic flashstep. He then books it like a Kenyan.
Interesting. Will try to catch the movie in the near future to see this. More Gandalf feats to stomp Voldemort with are welcome.
Also, your favoritism for Elsa makes this thread seem like attempted spite. You haven't seen The Desolation of Smaug nor are you aware of what the Istari really are and what they're capable of . You can go "LOLBOOKFEATS" but that's ignoring that Gandalf in the film is fundamentally still an angelic being with a greater ring of power holding back the entire time he's on screen because the effective god of Middle-Earth thinks three Maiar fighting Sauron would be more harmful than the War of the Ring.
The Istari are the Maiar sent to Middle Earth as wizards to aid the Children of Illuvatar in the fight against Sauron, correct?
I know who the Istari are. I am also pretty sure that an unbound book Gandalf would easily ream Elsa, since the last time the Maiar went to war a landmass the size of IIRC small country was completely destroyed. I made this thread to have a discussion, not for one side to definitely win over the other.
I go "lolbook feats" because you are trying to use information that is in no way present within the movies to justify a win for Gandalf. It reminds me when a Harry Potter fan was doing the same for Voldemort to justify a win against Superman.
Sauron and Gandalf are less powerful in the films than in the books.
I admit that I have not seen Frozen (because it doesn't grab my attention) but I'm batting for Gandalf because of overwhelming nay saying from you and your lover/sub/straw feminist Neph. The guy needs someone in his corner.
Whoa whoa whoa, you haven't seen the movie and you're making this broad, sweeping statements about it, while at the same time slandering my knowledge of Gandalf?
lol
Also **** Nephthys. He's the same guy who said Gandalf would be beaten in a melee fight against the T-800. What he says has no bearing on what I say.
We see Gandalf the White deflect an elf arrow, blind three people, and make Aragorn's blade so hot he has to drop it in less time than it takes to refresh this page, and yet you're saying Elsa wins because of what she's done to inanimate settings?
Well yeah, you see, because Elsa under normal conditions isn't prone to using her powers lethally, though she has nearly killed an entire kingdom accidentally as a result of her power. I made her bloodlusted because Gandalf would win against her 10/10 under normal circumstances, because she has demonstrated to be unwilling to use her powers lethally. Is there any reason why freezing a fjord solid would not translate to freezing a person solid?
This was not intended as a spite thread. I figured Elsa's advantage in raw scope and potency of powerset would be countered by her physical frailty and Gandalf's lesser, but practical and versatile powerset as well as a considerable physical advantage (The only attribute Elsa really approaches Gandalf in is reaction-time). I was testing the water for Elsa against another, fairly well-known and often-used movie character.
Calm down.