Here's an idea of how strong and how fast Lee was; in one of his fights, which took <5 seconds, Lee hit his opponent with 6 kicks and a punch, knocking him out. In a demonstration of a 3" Punch, Lee hit his target so hard that it broke two of his ribs and knocked him into two others, both of who had two ribs broken as well. Lastly, Lee trained Norris, and Lee would often spar with his students. To this day, despite the greater amount of time Norris has had to train, he still says that he is still not at the same level as Bruce Lee was. So, against a group of thugs with no martial arts training whatsoever, Lee absolutely destroys them without so much as a scratch.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The OP states that Bruce is immune to pain and fatigue. I'm sure he'd win.
Bruce Lee is a little guy. I'm assuming that these guys are all over 6 feet, so one or two blows to Lee's face would flatten him. There's 7 people, so he has no way of avoiding punches from the much bigger men.
A guy with extensive training in martials art that doesn't feel pain against 7 guys that does. They will get hammered. Recently a MMA fighter toke on 4 guys that broke into his house. The mma fighter killed one, sendt another to hospital and made the two others run for their lifes. And that isn't even one of the good mma fighters (a 1-5 record).
A few things I would like to clarify as well:
1. The MMA fighter mentioned above isn't even close to as skilled as Bruce Lee, who practically founded MMA (it was his idea to have martial arts leagues where fights had no rules).
2. The newspaper clipping states that Lee wouldn't be able to beat Ali because of the major size difference. It had nothing to do with skill; had Lee been a few inches taller and a few pounds heavier, he would've had a much easier time fighting and beating Ali. Also, Lee's style isn't just strength-based, it's mostly blinding speed, the strength comes along with the techniques.
3. Bruce was trained by a Shaolin monk, he also created his own style of martial arts, and he practiced fighting on Hong Kong's streets.
Originally posted by Utrigita
A guy with extensive training in martials art that doesn't feel pain against 7 guys that does. They will get hammered. Recently a MMA fighter toke on 4 guys that broke into his house. The mma fighter killed one, sendt another to hospital and made the two others run for their lifes. And that isn't even one of the good mma fighters (a 1-5 record).
He had a weapon against only four people. And he's actually proven himself in the ring, unlike Bruce Lee.
Originally posted by jmoul
A few things I would like to clarify as well:1. The MMA fighter mentioned above isn't even close to as skilled as Bruce Lee, who practically founded MMA (it was his idea to have martial arts leagues where fights had no rules).
2. The newspaper clipping states that Lee wouldn't be able to beat Ali because of the major size difference. It had nothing to do with skill; had Lee been a few inches taller and a few pounds heavier, he would've had a much easier time fighting and beating Ali. Also, Lee's style isn't just strength-based, it's mostly blinding speed, the strength comes along with the techniques.
3. Bruce was trained by a Shaolin monk, he also created his own style of martial arts, and he practiced fighting on Hong Kong's streets.
According to ESPN, boxers are the best conditioned athletes out there.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills
So prove that Lee trained harder and was more skilled than Muhammed Ali? Muhammed Ali is an actual fighter who has more than proven himself in the ring whereas Lee hasn't. There are only some videos of him demonstrating his moves and some statements about his combat abilities here and there. No actual footage of his fights. By the way, Ali was mostly about speed and grace rather than raw power.
And based on what is Bruce Lee a better fighter than the guy in question? Today's MMAers could literally kill top-class MMAers from the 60s and 70s.
As for Shaolin Monks, their martial arts are primarily meant for showmanship when they demonstrate their insane feats. Matter of fact, they can only do their "superhuman" feats through ki concentration, meaning that they would not be able to do anything of that sort in an actual fight.
People really need to learn the difference between a martial arts actor and a martial arts fighter.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
He had a weapon against only four people. And he's actually proven himself in the ring, unlike Bruce Lee.
I have read nowhere that he had a weapon??? From what I read the assailants was the ones that was armed. And really??? The argument is that Bruce Lee because he didn't fight in UFC can't fight? Especially when all pain has been disabled.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I have read nowhere that he had a weapon??? From what I read the assailants was the ones that was armed. And really??? The argument is that Bruce Lee because he didn't fight in UFC can't fight? Especially when all pain has been disabled.
"The older Garces was stabbed to death in the ensuing melee."
Originally posted by NemeBro
Well no, we're saying he can't fight on par with professional fighters because there is no evidence that such is the case.
Ahh, to put it simply I completely disagree. While he might lose to a MMA fighter that would imo be based on the BJJ/grappling from the MMA fighter and not his standing game. I also think that basically well everyone with a good skill set of Martial Arts here will do well, simply because Pain isn't a factor for the fighter. But that is just my take on it.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/06/joseph-torrez-mma-fends-off-four-attackers-kills-one_n_4548172.html"The older Garces was stabbed to death in the ensuing melee."
Doesn't really change what I read. Which was that it was the Garces that brought the weapons, which you post doesn't really confirm or deny.