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Im tempted to call it an even split, not so much because I think Vader is that much better, but the brothers weaknesses play directly to his strengths. Maul and Savage have poor fight tactics and combat effectiveness with the force from what Ive seen, both areas that Vader excels in. I could see him taking on Maul with a very patient and defensive style while knocking Savage around with random objects and direct tk like Dooku did with lightning.
Savage is only impressive in raw power and that wouldnt mean a whole lot to Vader, who probably outclasses him in physical, as well as force strength. Maul would be the problem but if Vader can batter Savage enough that he totally loses his cool (not a difficult task), he would charge into a head to head clash with Vader and find that his power strikes have little effect, and without a strength advantage he just cant compete against a more sophisticated style. Vader can swing just as hard if not harder, faster, with more precision and much better technique all while keeping a clear head. Add to that his massive experience advantage and Savage goes down hard and fast in a direct confrontation. After that Vaders tk and tactics give him good odds against Maul alone, whose bloodlust would have him open to force attacks.
I think Savage doesnt add a whole lot to this since hes not hard to provoke into making really stupid moves and without a strength advantage he has nothing to challange Vader with. Then if he gets killed it sends Maul into a rage that makes him more vulnerable to Vaders incredible skill in psychological manipulation and tactical force use. The main problem is holding out against Maul athleticism while being able to multitask with tk and get Savage worked up.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Tell that to Obi-Wan.
I dont think I have to, it was that fight that made me think Vader has a decent shot at taking them down. Their lack of strategy and forethought is what let Kenobi defeat them even after they had him trapped in an enclosed space. They should have been able to decimate him but it was only after they failed to use their number advantage that Maul tried using tk, and even then it was very basic and he swapped straight back to blade work.
Maul is intelligent and good with organizational planning but it seems to disappear once hes in combat. He is almost exclusively a physical fighter with only very occasional attempts to use the force or his environment to his advantage. Its something hes obviously very good at but he has little ability to mix it up when that fails.
Yeah I dont think hes stupid or anything but most things Ive read on him say he has trained his body to peak condition and prefers a purely martial victory over his opponents. Most of the fights ive seen him in are fairly true to that description and he seems to have developed his talents towards that end.
Vader on the other hand sees victory as a means to an end and takes it any way he can get it. he uses barricades, projectiles, psychological games and direct force attacks to get the job done and move on to other business. Hes much more comfortable using a far wider variety of techniques and usually knows exactly how and when to apply them.
I don't weigh that one too heavily, as that was before there was much on Maul power, before Anakin was shown to be a real wrecking machine as the Chosen One, and before the multiple stories where Vader did better against groups of Jedi masters than Maul could hope to.
And Vader did win, he just had to take an unusual route.
Originally posted by Q99
I don't weigh that one too heavily, as that was before there was much on Maul power, before Anakin was shown to be a real wrecking machine as the Chosen One, and before the multiple stories where Vader did better against groups of Jedi masters than Maul could hope to.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Those reasons are pretty weak. The thing about Vader isn't his feats as of Purge; it's the fact that his skill significantly increased after ANH as he advanced his lightsaber technique. He is a very good swordsman in RotJ. In ANH? Not so much.
Not just purge, there's also a book where he adjusts to the armor and has good many-against-him feats too.
There's no particular reason to think he went from great, to crappy, to great again. Don't forget, ANH is not that long after Force Unleashed and his fight with Galen.
Originally posted by Q99
Not just purge, there's also a book where he adjusts to the armor and has good many-against-him feats too.
Originally posted by Q99
There's no particular reason to think he went from great, to crappy, to great again. Don't forget, ANH is not that long after Force Unleashed and his fight with Galen.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The thing about Vader isn't his feats as of Purge; it's the fact that his skill significantly increased after ANH as he advanced his lightsaber technique. He is a very good swordsman in RotJ. In ANH? Not so much
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No, he was great in ANH, and greater later on.
😑 You just said that he wasn't a very good swordsman in ANH, only to flip-flop less than 2 hours later and say that he was great in ANH.