Boba Fett film possibly coming

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I'm saying the villains had shallow characterisation...everyone remembers their "catchy" names but Vader & Bobba for example, did little on screen but stand around looking menacing.

Vader had a sabre fight in each movie & Bobba went from standing in the background of Empire to his quick demise in Jedi.

This is just OT.

Characters like Tarkin are also more memorable than Boba Fett, as is Palpatine himself.

Whats the point in giving such a stupid ass character his own movie? Next you be tellin me the bartender in Mos Eisley cantina will get his own movie.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Vader had characterization as a ruthless, brutal, but ultimately emotionally fragile and even trouble old man. He hated the Emperor for what he did to him, and would entertain delusions of rebellion, but was so pants-shittingly terrified of Palpatine that those delusions never were made a reality, until he was inspired by Luke, his own flesh and blood's, courage to take matters into his own hands and save the galaxy. His helmet is removed in his last few moments, revealing the broken man he is, yet he is smiling, glad to finally have freed himself from Palpatine's tyranny, and happy that his son was able to avoid the mistakes he made.

But you've used hindsight & your own personal opinion to come to this conclusion.
All Lucas ever gave us on screen was a helmetted character with a voice over who walked around stiffly.
There was no indication of a fragile,troubled old man who both hated & fear the Emperor...that is simply what you're pieced together.
Alot of people hated when his helmet was finally removed...that forced father/son bonding moment was just too far fetched.

Originally posted by IceBreaker2000
Next you be tellin me the bartender in Mos Eisley cantina will get his own movie.

Alien Barfly Bukake.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
But you've used hindsight & your own personal opinion to come to this conclusion.
All Lucas ever gave us on screen was a helmetted character with a voice over who walked around stiffly.
There was no indication of a fragile,troubled old man who both hated & fear the Emperor...that is simply what you're pieced together.
Alot of people hated when his helmet was finally removed...that forced father/son bonding moment was just too far fetched.

A lot of people hated when his helmet was removed because a lot of stupid mongoloids who thought Vader was just this infallible badass dark lord were disappointed to see how sad and pathetic he really was. Their own ignorant self-delusions were thrown in their faces and shredded to pieces, so they railed out against Lucas' vision.

Vader always had a character in the OT. The tragic, sad, pathetic element was always there. This is especially obvious in the final movie, for reasons I have already illustrated.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Vader had characterization as a ruthless, brutal, but ultimately emotionally fragile and even trouble old man. He hated the Emperor for what he did to him, and would entertain delusions of rebellion, but was so pants-shittingly terrified of Palpatine that those delusions never were made a reality, until he was inspired by Luke, his own flesh and blood's, courage to take matters into his own hands and save the galaxy. His helmet is removed in his last few moments, revealing the broken man he is, yet he is smiling, glad to finally have freed himself from Palpatine's tyranny, and happy that his son was able to avoid the mistakes he made.

This is just OT.

Characters like Tarkin are also more memorable than Boba Fett, as is Palpatine himself.

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Originally posted by NemeBro
No, that is all using material from the OT.

I have to ask, what does OT stand for?

Original Trilogy.

Well that's what I'm talking about too as my source.

Vader was a stiff, one dimensional character.

What scene does he show hatred & fear of the Emperor?

What scene does Vader entertain delusions of rebellion???

And Palpatine was never mentioned in the OT so your reference to him points to hindsight & personal opinion.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Well that's what I'm talking about too as my source.

Vader was a stiff, one dimensional character.

He was not.

What scene does he show hatred & fear of the Emperor?

Hatred when he speaks with Luke about overthrowing Palpatine in ROTJ, fear when he promptly shut up and acted like a meek puppy when actually in his presence.

What scene does Vader entertain delusions of rebellion???

Read above.

And Palpatine was never mentioned in the OT so your reference to him points to hindsight & personal opinion.

I call him Palpatine because I find it less tedious to type than The Emperor.

Originally posted by NemeBro

Hatred when he speaks with Luke about overthrowing Palpatine in ROTJ, fear when he promptly shut up and acted like a meek puppy when actually in his presence.

I have no recollection of that conversation re: Vader's hatred/ overthrowing Palpatine.

And acting like a meek puppy in his presence...isn't that just showing respect to those above you?

You don't see a soldier standing at ease smoking a cigarette in the presence of a General.

I remembered the scene wrong partly: He does not openly foster thoughts of rebellion, but he does sorrowfully tell his son that it is too late for him (Vader), and seems melancholic of the fact (In his mind) that his son will follow the same path he did.

All right, Vader wanting to rebel against the Emperor with Luke did happen, but I got the movie wrong. It actually happened in ESB, in the most iconic scene in the franchise:

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"Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and together, we can rule the galaxy. As father and son."

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I have no recollection of that conversation re: Vader's hatred/ overthrowing Palpatine.

And acting like a meek puppy in his presence...isn't that just showing respect to those above you?

You don't see a soldier standing at ease smoking a cigarette in the presence of a General.

Not to but in your discussion here but I remember the first few times I watched the OT I always felt that Vadar feared and hated the Emperor. I can see how, Vadar could seem one dimensional because a lot of his development comes from the exposition of other characters. There are very few scenes in the OT that display him as a character with internal struggles and goals. The few times that he does have developmental dialogue are quite powerful though. These scenes really don't start until, Empire strikes back. I think the entire battle with luke showed that he was merely following orders because he feared his masters power and his true ambition was to over throw the Emperor and rule the galaxy in his image. I think this is clearly stated in several scenes of dialogue and even a few scenes where the camera stays still on vadar with no music, which insinuate thought. His fear and hatred for the Emperor is certainly verified at the end of, Jedi. I don't think it could have been made more clear why he made the decisions he did as vadar and what led him to follow the Emperor, after saving Luke, and damning himself in the process.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to play down Vader's infamy...he is an iconic figure of a lot of people's childhood memories, including mine as well. But every hero needs a good villain.
Yes, Vader was badass but compared to the heroes of the trilogy (Luke, Han, Obi, Leia), he was also one dimensional.

I think that as the story-line became more convoluted (Luke & Leia being Vader's siblings), Lucas realised Vader needed a bit more complexity to his character, thus the lingering shots, thus making the audience realise that there's actually a human being inside the costume.

I honestly don't think there's enough proof to say that Vader's fear & hatred of the Emperor was the deciding/turning point for saving/helping Luke take down Palpatine.

Jedi was the most family orientated, feel good movie of the trilogy.
Han gets saved. The villains (Bobba, Jabba, Vader,Palp) get their demise. Han gets the girl, Luke discovers a sibling & achieves Jedi status...everybody got a happy ending or their justified demise.
In this sense Lucas HAD to give Vader more humanity than the previous 2 movies. Vader finally had character but too little too late.

This is from Latino Review

To counter-act the prequels, the Boba Fett spin-off movie planned for 2018 has an interesting twist pitched by Episode VII writer Lawrence Kasdan: the spin-off will start with a complete stranger killing Boba Fett and taking his armor, starting a Man-With-No-Name bounty hunter tale. So: someone kills the Boba Fett from the prequels and takes his armor and name. One this is for certain is that Kasdan didn’t like the prequel and wants no Bobba Fett Clone in the spin-off film.

^ That's like a huge slap in the face to the Prequels.