Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually Lord's mindcontrol is so complicated that not even J'onn and Lasso of Truth can break it on someone's mind. If he brainwashed someone, its more taxing to break it.
Yes, that's true. The lasso of truth only provided a *temporary* reprieve, which is fairly crazy.
This was roughly the same timeframe where the lasso was able to undo Dr. Psycho's mindwashing of Sergeant Steel easily (which was full "He thinks he's someone else" level).
Originally posted by CatL18
According to comicvine's debaters, Maxwell is only low or mid level telepath. I seemed to underrate Maxwell.
He was, at one point. He got stronger.
Also, his output seems scaleable to whatever he wants, provided he's willing to take the bloodloss for it.
His telepathy also isn't the full range of telepathy- he doesn't do mind reading or sensing type stuff, he only does mind pushing.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, that's true. The lasso of truth only provided a *temporary* reprieve, which is fairly crazy.This was roughly the same timeframe where the lasso was able to undo Dr. Psycho's mindwashing of Sergeant Steel easily (which was full "He thinks he's someone else" level).
He was, at one point. He got stronger.
Also, his output seems scaleable to whatever he wants, provided he's willing to take the bloodloss for it.
His telepathy also isn't the full range of telepathy- he doesn't do mind reading or sensing type stuff, he only does mind pushing.
That's crazy level of mental manipulation.
Originally posted by CatL18
Non telepathist with indomitable will like Superman or Hal have resisted uber strong telepathy. But They have been Mindraped by weak telepath. is it PIS or CIS?
Can you provide examples of 'mindrape by weak telepaths" because i can't think of any. Let's remember also that Hal has no immunity to TP he can and has succumbed often (most notably to Hector Hammond, King Shark etc). His ring gives him a way to combat it and his will can overcome it but that still takes time. Example in one classic story vs hector he was made hector's puppet but in prep he had given the ring a command not to work if his mind wasn't under his own control so Hector couldn't use it with him.
Originally posted by beatboks
Can you provide examples of 'mindrape by weak telepaths" because i can't think of any. Let's remember also that Hal has no immunity to TP he can and has succumbed often (most notably to Hector Hammond, King Shark etc). His ring gives him a way to combat it and his will can overcome it but that still takes time. Example in one classic story vs hector he was made hector's puppet but in prep he had given the ring a command not to work if his mind wasn't under his own control so Hector couldn't use it with him.
Originally posted by CatL18
I know,but, People in CV or CBR tend to insist like that Superman have been mindraped by Poison ivy, So, Superman's resistance is only pis.
OMG Ivy doesn't have TP. The way she controls people is chemically with pheromones and in some instances the way they allow her to mesmerize others. As abhi pointed out she could only use this on Supes with a Kryptonite affected pheromone. That has nothing what so ever to do with TP resistance.
Indeed, telepathy resistance and chemical mind control are very different things.
Originally posted by abhilegend
By negating Max's TP. On superman it did nothing at all.That's crazy level of mental manipulation.
Hah, never knew she got a strangle-lasso on him in one of the clip versions of the fight, and yes, it does make it even crazier. I am with you on this one!
Originally posted by Q99
Indeed, telepathy resistance and chemical mind control are very different things.Hah, never knew she got a strangle-lasso on him in one of the clip versions of the fight, and yes, it does make it even crazier. I am with you on this one!
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