Is there any new anime that's better than DBZ?

Originally posted by yungz22
One i think thats better is YYH it kind of had a few dbz like elements in terms of power levels and things like that but to me overall the characters in the show were more complex especially the villains. Each had interesting back stories and complex mindsets especially toguro in the end no one could really tell how his mind works it really made for great story telling. Not to mention the action is stupendous anyone remember when raizen possesed yusuke(epic badassness) or when hei sliced that demon 16 times in a second or something like that.

I feel like dbz will always be legendary for nostaligic purposes. Dbz was great but overall as we got older and our minds matured im pretty sure we realized that the story got worse and worse as it continued. I personally think it should have ended with the frieza saga. Cell saga at the latest. ( kid buu still awesome though) even toriyama stated he didnt like how the last saga was written. This is due to the editors wanting him to continue it in an effort to make money.

I liked naruto in the begining a whole lot but like dbz as the story continued my love for the once great anime diminished. Recently its been losing alot of fan base because of the story. You can tell this by its recent sales numbers dropping.

The same goes for bleach too. I feel like it should have ended with aizen. That full bringer arc was horrible to me they sucked (the sternritters are cool though)

Its really all about what your looking for in an anime. If you only like violence and explosions and dont care too much about the story dbz is gonna be hard to beat.

Eh, YYH was garbage. Way to old school, in terms of animation, action and plot. The only "cool" character in it was the black dragon dude.

Akira Toriyama never like manga period. Of course he didn't like the latest saga. He said he loved BOTG's though, and was really happy with it.

EVERY manga is losing sales recently. Simply because they can almost all be found online. Naruto is still above One Piece and Bleach though. Also, how can you think it's getting worse? The story has just been progressing, to the point where you can get a feel for the entire story and get a legit conclusion. I mean, imagine if Dragon Ball ended when Kid Goku killed King Piccolo.

Bleach is getting MUCH better, though the fullbring arc was garbage.

Just refer to my comment though.

Your taste in anime is pretty suspect.

Naruto is worse than ever my son.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Your taste in anime is pretty suspect.

Naruto is worse than ever my son.

I could handle the shitty renditions of DBZ fights, if at least the manga's themes weren't being torn to pieces by an abused pitbull.

By using Michael Bay logic, Naruto is #1 series!

Originally posted by NemeBro
Your taste in anime is pretty suspect.

Naruto is worse than ever my son.

Why's that?

I think that Naruto's getting better actually. It's going down a darker type of road than it ever has before. It just has a more... I don't know, mature type of feel to it, what with so many character deaths and all.

I think the reason you think it's worse is because they've made this whole ninja war so long. Am I wrong?

I think it's necessary though, because they're making a huge last stand to save the ninja world. It has a much better plot overall than DBZ though, we can agree on that.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I think he's one of those dudes who think EPIC FIGHTS = good fights and good plot. Dragon Ball and Naruto as your top anime/manga is really suspect.

Epic fights does = good fights.

Dragon Ball is one of my favorites simply because it's so nostalgic. I know its quality is nowhere near that of a lot of current anime/manga's, but it was the best for its time. I also think BOTG's was a huge step in the right direction for DBZ. Naruto's just awesome overall, and learning about all the plot twists and tying all the loose ends that have been open since even the pre-timeskip is just very exciting to me.

Many deaths in an anime=/=maturity.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Many deaths in an anime=/=maturity.

But Many deaths in an anime does = a darker feel. The maturity of it comes from learning more about the series in general, whereas it used to be just some fox kid doing shit randomly.

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

Kill la Kill

Attack on Titan

Those are some quality titles.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

Kill la Kill

Attack on Titan

Those are some quality titles.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Epic fights does = good fights.

Dragon Ball is one of my favorites simply because it's so nostalgic. I know its quality is nowhere near that of a lot of current anime/manga's, but it was the best for its time. I also think BOTG's was a huge step in the right direction for DBZ. Naruto's just awesome overall, and learning about all the plot twists and tying all the loose ends that have been open since even the pre-timeskip is just very exciting to me.

Epic fight does not necessarily equal good fight and there are way better anime and manga out there than either Naruto or Dragon Ball. But hey, opinions.

Attack on Titan isn't that good, imo. It's rather really close to being a rip-off of Claymore and Evangelion if you think about it and have watched/read those two series.

Ah, hehe, it has *some* similarities but it's really very much it's own thing. The plot structure fits neither, it has different characters... Eva especially is a stretch, Eva faces one foe at a time and it takes awhile before they have to struggle.

Claymore's probably the closest, but they're still more different than just about any shonen fight and DBZ is... and that includes shonen fight shows that came before DBZ.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Why's that?

I think that Naruto's getting better actually. It's going down a darker type of road than it ever has before. It just has a more... I don't know, mature type of feel to it, what with so many character deaths and all.

I think the reason you think it's worse is because they've made this whole ninja war so long. Am I wrong?

I think it's necessary though, because they're making a huge last stand to save the ninja world. It has a much better plot overall than DBZ though, we can agree on that.

Because the themes have been torn to pieces and shat out.

Remember the whole "hard work can supersede talent" theme it had going on?

Well maybe you shouldn't of skipped your last class of Bible Studies cuz FEWLED U, Naruto turns out to be literally Jesus. "My son worked super hard to become really cool and awesome. And now he gave all of that to you, for free!"

Anyway, if you want better action adventure anime, try:

-JoJo's Bizzare Adventure (2012) + Stardust Crusaders that just came out today
-Samurai Champloo
-Hunter x Hunter (2011)
-Fate/Zero
-Gintama
-Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
-Katanagatari

Better action adventure manga:

-Holyland
-Kingdom
-Vinland Saga
-Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic
-Vagabond
-Berserk
-Hunter x Hunter (art for this one is pretty bad most of the time)
-Blade of the Immortal
-Historie

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Anyway, if you want better action adventure anime, try:

-JoJo's Bizzare Adventure (2012) + Stardust Crusaders that just came out today
-Samurai Champloo
-Hunter x Hunter (2011)
-Fate/Zero
-Gintama
-Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
-Katanagatari

Better action adventure manga:

-Holyland
-Kingdom
-Vinland Saga
-Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic
-Vagabond
-Berserk
-Hunter x Hunter (art for this one is pretty bad most of the time)
-Blade of the Immortal
-Historie

Originally posted by galactusischere
I've watched some of the anime you listed and I wouldn't necessary say they are better than DBZ. No idea about the manga though haha. And how about Fairy Tail? It's pretty good

Fairy Tail had potential, but then it went full t1ts and ass and FRIENDSHIP mode, so I dropped it a while ago. Blatant fanservice and random power-ups are just not my thing. You should try reading the Claymore manga though. It has a slow start, but gets pretty good 10 or so chapters in. It has a very simple plot along with generally likable characters.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Honestly, everything I listed being better than Dragon Ball is pretty objective unless you have crazy nostalgia towards the series or can't enjoy anything without generic explosions.

Fairy Tail had potential, but then it went full t1ts and ass and FRIENDSHIP mode, so I dropped it a while ago. Blatant fanservice and random power-ups are just not my thing. You should try reading the Claymore manga though. It has a slow start, but gets pretty good 10 or so chapters in. It has a very simple plot along with generally likable characters.

I'll make sure to check out your Claymore recommendation though. Thanks.

Also always try to read manga on either Kissmanga or Manga Stream. They generally have the most accurate and best translations online.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Because the themes have been torn to pieces and shat out.

Remember the whole "hard work can supersede talent" theme it had going on?

Well maybe you shouldn't of skipped your last class of Bible Studies cuz FEWLED U, Naruto turns out to be literally Jesus. "My son worked super hard to become really cool and awesome. And now he gave all of that to you, for free!"

That's just one of the themes. Cycles of hatred is another big one.

And Naruto's literally got the attached chakra of... someone who managed to surpass his talented brother through hard work, and it took mucho hard work for Naruto to get where he is.

Guys Naruto saying that he is flat out going to change the fate of the two brothers completely goes against the idea that you cannot fight destiny. Common sense.