ROTS Kenobi & Mace vs. ROTS Dooku and Anakin

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KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

ROTS Kenobi & Mace vs. ROTS Dooku and Anakin

who wins this fight

Sabers
Force
All out

Lord Stark Lord of Winterfell

Dooku flicks Kenobi away and then he and Anakin curbstomp Mace.

Intrepid37 Restricted

Re: ROTS Kenobi & Mace vs. ROTS Dooku and Anakin

Well everyone already knows the OP's answer... 😐

OP
Sabers

Tyranus and Mace might be more technically skilled than Anakin (of which I am unconvinced), but this could be argued. Obi-Wan is the least skilled duelist but the margin between him and his opponents is rather small. Physical attributes is one of the reasons why Team 2 wins. Anakin's high-tier speed feats puts him roughly equal to Tyranus in that aspect, and Tyranus is faster than Obi-Wan as seen in The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader. Mace is roughly equal to Obi-Wan in speed; so Anakin's and Tyranus' edge against Obi-Wan should also apply against Mace. Anakin is the physically strongest by quite a bit (and as a Djem So practitioner, his strength applies more to him in combat than it does for the other combatants). Mace is strong but not especially so. This should be a rather negligible advantage though. With that said, Anakin's Force reserves allows him to last longer than anyone should that be of need (probably not). Tyranus and Anakin should win a small majority, but the time it would take would depend on who Anakin fights (likely Obi-Wan, given their friendship and the history between Tyranus and Mace as peers). Anakin would beat Obi-Wan in a time consuming fight thanks to his more evident effeciency as a swordsman (not just with regards to raw skill, but he is also more impressive physically). Of course, Obi-Wan's Soresu and their knowledge of each other's styles (they have sparred for thousands of hours) would make it time consuming. Depending on the environment, he could possibly hold off Anakin long enough for Mace to gain an advantage over Tyranus, but this would only happen for a minority, not a majority. Speaking of Tyranus and Mace, Tyranus' skill feats are slightly more impressive than Mace's, but given their reputation as swordsmen on a similar level, placing them even as duelists would be fair. Tyranus' mastery and technique probably supersedes Mace's, but then, he might find it hard to gain an advantage as Mace is a very aggressive duelist. Either way, Tyranus' intention to fight Mace on Boz Pity but then fleeing suggests parity and that Tyranus himself was aware that any chance of victory might be time consuming (he also warned Grievous of Mace's swordsmanship; coupled with the fact that it was stated that Mace often sparred with other Jedi, it would be fair to say that they know of each others' skill).

OP
Force

Team 2 in a curbstomp. Really, this is not even close. Tyranus' and especially Anakin's telekinetic feats are better than Mace's and Obi-Wan's. If nothing else, neither Obi-Wan nor Mace has any feats with Absorption to suggest that they could handle Tyranus' lightning barehanded (Tyranus' lightning is quite potent as he killed multiple Kiffar warriors with a single burst), and Anakin would just outlast either of Obi-Wan or Mace (and really, they have absolutely no power that would overwhelm or surprise Tyranus or Anakin.

OP
All out

Tyranus and Anakin. Not only is their sheer power so much greater than Obi-Wan's or Mace's, their level of skill at least equals that of Team 1. If anything, their ability as duelist eclipse Team 1's on the account of their greater physical feats.

Tyranus and Anakin wins 8/10 or so.

DARTH POWER Senior Member

Dooku and Skywalker.

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

This is actually contradicted by canon though... Kenobi beat Anakin... thus for anybody to say Anakin wins 10/10 is simply laughable at best. He would do no such thing and it would never be easy no matter who wins. The difference here is that Mace is above Dooku and would win that fight and would do so in a decisive manner. Thus leaving Mace to help Kenobi finish off Anakin

In a force fight... I woudl give the advantage to team 2 for a clear majority

All out... well that is a tricky one... I would call for an even split but if made to choose.. it would be team 1 coming out on top.

Intrepid37 Restricted

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is actually contradicted by canon though...

By canon or by your interpretation?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Kenobi beat Anakin...

By the virtue of a) Their intimate knowledge of each other's forms, and b) Anakin's mindset in the duel.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
thus for anybody to say Anakin wins 10/10 is simply laughable at best.

Did you even read my post?

Originally posted by Me
Obi-Wan is the least skilled duelist but the margin between him and his opponents is rather small.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The difference here is that Mace is above Dooku and would win that fight and would do so in a decisive manner.

Indeed?

Zett Senior Member

Agree with Intrepid37 and Lord Stark all the way.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The difference here is that Mace is above Dooku and would win that fight and would do so in a decisive manner.

No 🙂
But we don't need to talk about this again. If Dooku has Obi-Wan in his sight, he will took him out by his force powers. It will be 2v1 until they will start in two, completly separated places.

juyomaster34 Senior Member

Team 1 all the way ....the only person to go all out...would be Mace against Tyranus and SkyWalker ..
SkyWalker is gonna end up beating himself....Dooku/Tyranus's overconfidence will end him before
Mace starts to enjoy the fight...or the Magna Guards come and save him....like always....

Force powers? last I checked Vaapad is part Force power or powers...
Dooku's lightning???
Anakin's what????besides Djem So...Force Choke...and Force-Enhanced strength???
his TK assault ain't up to Vader level yet....even if it was it won't help him....

Kenobi beat Anakin....
Mace will beat Tyranus....

No matter how you paint this picture it's gonna end with their knowledge of Light Saber Combat
Anakin and Obi Wan tried with the Force.... you saw what happened.....

If Dooku even try to attempt Force Lightning....reflected by Vaapad...wait..
wait....wait for it....his TK...throwing heavy objects...either cut in half by light saber or hurled back
with his own use of TK....or just simply...dodge...

So...that leaves Sabers...and All out....I'll do All out first...

Anakin went All out....he lost his limbs in the process......
Dooku going out will only tire him and desperately looking for an exit or the nearest Magna Guards ...to..intervene....

Sabers....well Mace's Vaapad vs Tyranus's Makashi speaks for itself...w/Tyranus loose -ing
his hands or his head... take your pick...I say both...

Kenobi vs Anakin...well we know who won that.....
And for the record Mace is faster than Kenobi they're not equal....not by a long shot...

Yahoo69 Junior Member

Mannequin Skywalker might have the power but he has a limit. He doesn't know how to contain it, it's all blind rage while as Tyranus stacks up to Windu due to his unusual fighting stance, constant jumping and having surprises in store.

Kenobi might not be the victor in this fight but he can hold out for extended periods unless he gives into the battle and sacrifices himself (which he won't do as Luke's not here).