Fist Fight - Thor/Hulk vs Orion/Darkseid

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The most recent confrontation with someone on Darkseid's level by Thor and Hulk was Thanos.
How did it fare for them?

To be fair ...

You seem to be implying that New 52 Darkseid is on pair with Pre New 52 Darkseid (not that he isn't, or that he isn't maybe even more powerful), but by doing that you're also implying that New 52 Justice League is on pair with Pre New 52 Justice League ... which they're not.
New 52 Justice League is not on pair with the Pre New 52 Justice League. It's not even close.

We both know that all the discussion about the New 52 Justice League even comes to mind, just because Superman was benchpressing the Earth for 5 days.
That is one showing that supposedly puts them ALL at Thor / Hulk level, when it comes to DC fans.
Outside of Superman's bench press thread ... impress me with 5 other feats of the New 52 Justice League (you may even include Flash) for me to believe that it's even worth coming up with battles like the ones in this thread.

The opponents Darkseid had during his arc in the new Justice League comics were lackluster.
Their most powerful member is supposedly Superman, who has a mountain level damage output if not sundipped. He has one, vast out of the norm showing alá Spider-Man beats down Firelord.

Take Superman's showing away and tell me if you honestly don't think that Thor and WW Hulk could have taken Darkseid's spot in that arc.
Judging by their feats they could have. Without even trying... Not even Flash's Speed Force would have helped them, because at that point he didn't even know how to use it for speed-trapping people.

Darkseid isn't soloing anything here. What speaks for Darkseid is his ability to bust planets, but that was probably never achieved by any physical attack and more through his Omega Effect or his technology, which he doesn't have access to in this fight.

Originally posted by Golgo13
You shouldn't debate in your own threads, Carver. 😖hifty:

Team 2.

I don't debate in my threads...I came in here to put someone in check.

Originally posted by carver9
When did I bring up anything about Hulk winning this alone? Let alone winning this at all. If I made the thread, I must feel as if the other team stands a chance of winning? If I wanted Hulk to win, I would have pitted him against some chumps. The other team could win, I just disagree with LOB mindset on the topic...I don't think Darkseid can solo. The crazy thing about this is, you are telling me that I am trying to debate for Hulk but I haven't said a single thing about who or what would win and how (since I don't debate in my own threads).

Lol...scan daddy isn't needed. I don't debate on who'll win in my own threads.

But you did debate in this thread.

DS solos.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
But you did debate in this thread.

I corrected someone. They made it seem like it was a spite thread...it don't make those.

Originally posted by Enzeru
To be fair ...

You seem to be implying that New 52 Darkseid is on pair with Pre New 52 Darkseid (not that he isn't, or that he isn't maybe even more powerful), but by doing that you're also implying that New 52 Justice League is on pair with Pre New 52 Justice League ... which they're not.
New 52 Justice League is not on pair with the Pre New 52 Justice League. It's not even close.

Respectfully, I implied no such thing.

My assertion is that DCNU Darkseid is at least as powerful as current Thanos.

That was it.

Even Thanos would not like going fist to fist with Hulk

Tough fight

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Respectfully, I implied no such thing.

My assertion is that DCNU Darkseid is at least as powerful as current Thanos.

That was it.

But what in your opinion has Darkseid done that supports such a claim?

In a different thread I've stated my opinion on the New 52 Justice League. In my opinion they're all High Metas up to Mid Heralds, if we look at their feats and the bigger picture. Flash for example has the speed feats, but he doesn't have the Infinite Mass Punch yet, which would turn him into a big threat in a fight without BRF. Superman has one out of the norm showing, which doesn't really make a lot of sense, if we think about who the character is and what he stands for.

Darkseid is a legit planetbuster. There is no doubt about it. In my opinion he is without a doubt above Superman, who is probably the most powerful Justice Leaguer right now and him being a mid herald with the potential for more, if he gets few more high end feats.
But even Doctor Doom has destroyed a planet before with his tech. Yet he was far away from the explosion. We can assume that Doctor Doom could have taken the explosion, since he also tanked various cosmic rays in the past, but can the same be said for Darkseid?

What tells us that Darkseid really has planetary level durability? We never saw him on a planet that exploded. We never saw him taking damage on a planetary scale (and this is where it can't be argued that since Superman punched him Darkseid must have planetary level durability, since Superman benchpressed the planet. I don't mind ABC logic, but that is flawed ABC logic at that point).

TL-DR... I personally wouldn't put Darkseid on Thanos' level. Thanos had much more time to establish himself and we saw Thanos facing real adversity. Having real powerhouses as opponents. Darkseid was in a battle against people, who had mediocore feats overall and some of them don't even have feats at all like for example Wonder Woman - she jobs all the time. What speaks for Darkseid is him busting a planet, but the same thing was achieved by Binary and yet she doesn't even come close to high heralds.

Team 2 wins but this is
Another Marvel vs. D.C. bait thread. Why not mix the characters up Carv? We know you and others are bias towards Marvel and others bias toward D.C. (nothing wrong with either). So if you mix the characters up then your arguments would be more objective and spot on. The thread would be longer and better as there would be no company bias.

Thor/Darkseid vs. Orion/Hulk is a better thread.

Originally posted by h1a8
Team 2 wins but this is
Another Marvel vs. D.C. bait thread. Why not mix the characters up Carv? We know you and others are bias towards Marvel and others bias toward D.C. (nothing wrong with either). So if you mix the characters up then your arguments would be more objective and spot on. The thread would be longer and better as there would be no company bias.

Thor/Darkseid vs. Orion/Hulk is a better thread.

2 people came in here and vote for DC characters and they are leading the vote right now. Dont see anything bias about my thread.

Darkseid solos imo

I think the way this fight is set up that I favor Hulk and Thor.

Dc needs to fix what bad sorry writing they have done with Darky
Darky should win this, but not how he is written. .

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Okay, I get people having different opinions and all, but how is Darkseid soloing? I don't get it. Superman was specifically intended to be in his younger years when he faced Darkseid (After getting hit with the Omegas and getting tortured fyi) and long before he benched the planet which in itself is an outlier. If that's the benchmark, Hyperion's recent feat is magnitudes more impressive. The rest of the league? Wonder Woman and Aquaman are the second strongest and Hulk/Thor have more strength in their pinky fingers. I just don't get what the reasoning is.

Darkseid beat the crap out of Hal Jordan but so did Wonder Woman and Superman. He's hardly a benchmark for elite power at that level.

Darkseid also managed to destroy a planet in his battle with Izaya. Cool and impressive but in what way is that even remotely grounds for soloing both Hulk and Thor in a f*cking fist fight? Darkseid fought like the Hulk, skill isn't really going to be a factor.

I'm legitimately trying to be objective and analyze what feats support Darkseid soloing. If I missed anything, someone please point them out, willing to be convinced.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Darkseid solos.

👆

Hulk solos. Dynamic strength and his healing factor. This is what he was built for.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk solos. Dynamic strength and his healing factor. This is what he was built for.

I dont think Hulk solos, but I agree with the rest of this statement

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk solos. Dynamic strength and his healing factor. This is what he was built for.

Hulk is KO'd before he augments to any advanced level.

The only person soloing this is Orion. RESPECT.

Originally posted by Golgo13
The only person soloing this is Orion. RESPECT.

The Dog of War's involvement in the fight is pure spite!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Respectfully, I implied no such thing.

My assertion is that DCNU Darkseid is at least as powerful as current Thanos.

That was it.