And every SW top tier force user makes Sephiroth look like a gust of wind next to a tornado
Considering you have dudes who can tear apart the fabric of space and time, can manipulate solar flares and cause stars to go supernova, destroy all life on a planet on a sub-atomic level, drain life forces from entire planets, mind**** entire species, generate enough energy to create earthquakes and volcanic eruptions across a planet, among other things, yeah, next to that, Sephiroth tends to look rather irrelevant by comparison if I say so myself
So, what stops Luke from mind****ing Sephiroth to a vegetable, or using Fold Space to teleport his body parts far away from him (teleport style dismemberment) or his lightsaber into Sephiroth's skull, or a jolt of Emerald Lightning?
Originally posted by StealthRanger
And every SW top tier force user makes Sephiroth look like a gust of wind next to a tornado
Not so much!
Considering you have dudes who can tear apart the fabric of space and time,
If you mean Palpatine's wormhole/force storms, they take time to build and interrupting him makes them mess up.
can manipulate solar flares and cause stars to go supernova,
Only with a specific ship that does the heavy lifting (and the ship allowed even an apprentice to do it), while the person has to sit there in the ship and do nothing else.
destroy all life on a planet on a sub-atomic level, drain life forces from entire planets,
Yes, Nihilus... of course, he couldn't do that if he was bisected, most likely, and he's not exactly a normal being even by the standards of high-tier force users, he's sort of a natural disaster.
And Sephiroth is full of Jenovah, which itself messed with the lifestream of an entire world, so dunno how Jenovah stuff would react.
Though better chance than most of these others, to be sure!
mind**** entire species, generate enough energy to create earthquakes and volcanic eruptions across a planet, among other things, yeah, next to that, Sephiroth tends to look rather irrelevant by comparison if I say so myself
You do realize he summoned a giant planet-threatening meteor that caused massive damage to the planet even when it was stopped, right?
So, what stops Luke from mind****ing Sephiroth to a vegetable,
Heh, aside from him never doing that and Sephiroth having an incredibly strong well? He is pretty much the avatar of the godly Jenovah, and Jenovah has a long history of mind control itself.
Good luck with that.
or using Fold Space to teleport his body parts far away from him (teleport style dismemberment) or his lightsaber into Sephiroth's skull, or a jolt of Emerald Lightning?
Again, aside from him never doing that? It's probably a good deal slower than Sephiroth's attacks.
And Emerald Lightning...? Seriously, Seph can just shrug that even if he didn't want to block it. Even normal First Class Soldiers are incredibly tough, and Sephiroth is way above them.
Physically, Sephiroth is above any Sith or Jedi that I know. And SW, even the higher end stuff, does show "killing them with swords," is a pretty good counter to those large-scale fancier force abilities that take time to do.
Originally posted by Q99
Not so much!
Oh very much
Originally posted by Q99 If you mean Palpatine's wormhole/force storms, they take time to build and interrupting him makes them mess up.
Granted I suppose, sort of in the same context as "teh meteorz"
Originally posted by Q99 Only with a specific ship that does the heavy lifting (and the ship allowed even an apprentice to do it), while the person has to sit there in the ship and do nothing else.
Granted with the supernova thing, although the solar flare was with telekinesis. For the **** of it
Originally posted by Q99 Yes, Nihilus... of course, he couldn't do that if he was bisected, most likely, and he's not exactly a normal being even by the standards of high-tier force users, he's sort of a natural disaster.
Yeah, him. And Vitiate, who (as I said before), vaporised the biosphere of a planet on a sub-atomic level, Revan noted he no longer needs a ritual to replicate this feat
And Palpatine can do this, with a greater level of control (Byss, he was deliberately doing it slowly to sustain himself
And Sephiroth is full of Jenovah, which itself messed with the lifestream of an entire world, so dunno how Jenovah stuff would react.
Yet has never done a damn thing else with it
Originally posted by Q99 You do realize he summoned a giant planet-threatening meteor that caused massive damage to the planet even when it was stopped, right?
Which needed a great deal of prep to achieve
Originally posted by Q99 Heh, aside from him never doing that and Sephiroth having an incredibly strong well? He is pretty much the avatar of the godly Jenovah, and Jenovah has a long history of mind control itself.Good luck with that.
>Luke
>never mind****ing
>even though he's done it during the trilogy era before he became badass
>and weaker gaise like Revan and Palpatine mind****ing entire planets/species and Luke fending off Palpatine's mind****
What?
Considering Palpatine was mindwiping the 20 billion or so population of Byss into a dream like state, yeeeeah
Ignoring that, it's been argued that Sephiroth's lifestream shit was akin to just being in there, sort of similar to the difference between being in an ocean, and the ocean trying to kill you. Yeah
Again, aside from him never doing that? It's probably a good deal slower than Sephiroth's attacks.
He just thinks and fold spaces. So what stops him from doing that?
And Emerald Lightning...? Seriously, Seph can just shrug that even if he didn't want to block it. Even normal First Class Soldiers are incredibly tough, and Sephiroth is way above them.
Oh Indeed, given it ignores durability (it insta-killed dudes outside the force)
Physically, Sephiroth is above any Sith or Jedi that I know. And SW, even the higher end stuff, does show "killing them with swords," is a pretty good counter to those large-scale fancier force abilities that take time to do.
Strength and durability, shure I guess?
Speed, lol, nope, definitely not*. Plus considering a random nobody like Jax Pavan can deflect a literal laser from a few meters away
*Mathematical error, should be Mach 10,000, and it happened in ROTS Novelisation, for the earlier question
Weaker Jedis have by large groups or just PIS (in the case of stronger guys like Obi-Wan), besides that, why are you using a low showing now?
For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.But these particular pilots were far from merely human.
The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.
Moar reflexes/perceptions
Obi-Wan was already making that exact move as Anakin spoke. But they were inverted to each other: breaking right shot him one way while Anakin whipped the other. The tri-fighters' cannons ripped space between them, tracking faster than their starfighters could slip.
His onboard threat display chimed a warning: two of the droids had remote sensor locks on him. The others must have lit up his partner. "Anakin! Slip-jaws!"
"My thought exactly."
They blew past the tri-fighters, looping in evasive spirals. The droid ships wrenched themselves into pursuit maneuvers that would have killed any living pilot.
The slip-jaws maneuver was named for the scissorlike mandibles of the Kashyyyk slash-spider. Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser.
For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.
But these particular pilots were far from merely human.
The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint. Tri-fighters were the Trade Federation's latest space-superiority droid. But even the electronic reflexes of the tri-fighters' droid brains were too slow for this: one of his pursuers met one of Anakin's head-on. Both vanished in a blossom of flame.
He had the Force to guide him through, and the tri-fighter had only its electronic reflexes—but those electronic reflexes operated at roughly the speed of light.
Even moar reflexes. Hell, the MagnaGuard Droids that are General Grievous' bodyguards
I'm nt denying that the Jedi have good reflexes, after all they have precog. Therefore, the Jedi can literally react before the action takes place. I'm saying that them moving many times faster than the speed of sound is utter crap. BTW, I do believe Luke wins this.
Edit: And that Naga Sadow "calc" is just an earlier telling of when Sadow used the Corsair to destroy the Denarii system. Nor am I sure what that fool is doing in the Vitate calc... Vitiate drained all life, he didn't vaporize carbon or some shit like that.
Considering Palpatine was mindwiping the 20 billion or so population of Byss into a dream like state, yeeeeah
Sure, people conditioned over a long period of time. Actual on-the-spot mind control of a strong willed person is a lot rare and something only a few sith who specialize it ever pull off.
He just thinks and fold spaces. So what stops him from doing that?
Because it's not a low-level power and likely requires a fair amount of effort as a result. He never *does* use it in an actual fight like that.
Speed, lol, nope, definitely not*. Plus considering a random nobody like Jax Pavan can deflect a literal laser from a few meters away
Fun fact about Jedi, they have precog so can start a block before whatever comes.
And really, with Sephiroth's power? It simply doesn't matter. Block or not, they're down.
Originally posted by YamchaWTF
We need tag team battles, it seems Lucy and Luke really excel together xD
http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Team+LuLu
Originally posted by YamchaAll hail team LuLu~
We need tag team battles, it seems Lucy and Luke really excel together xD
http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Team+LuLu
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
What's stopping Luke from TKing Seph's eyeballs into his head?
That's travel telekinesis, not combat telekinesis :zaru
But seriously, nothing, in TK he outpowers Sephiroth massively
He force crushes him or blasts him to atoms
Anyhow, the actual Vitiate feat (not the calc, for the ****ers who doubt the subatomic shit) http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20203
Sure, people conditioned over a long period of time. Actual on-the-spot mind control of a strong willed person is a lot rare and something only a few sith who specialize it ever pull off.
I take it you conveniently ignored where Palpatine was deliberately devouring it slowly rather than all at once
Even then, I certainly cannot think of a situation where constantly keeping billions un der your mental power can be useful in combat, no not at all
Because it's not a low-level power and likely requires a fair amount of effort as a result. He never *does* use it in an actual fight like that.
Not not really, he effortlessly used it to disarm his son
What stops him from doing so?
Fun fact about Jedi, they have precog so can start a block before whatever comes.
Then there's another thing, called force enhanced reflexes
I personally fail to see where easily outfighting fighters and high level droids with high relativistic perceptions and reactions is "precognition"
Who said anything about blocking (though Luke has force shields for this)? Luke just keeps distance and magics/haxes him to death
All hail team LuLu~
Team LuLu vs FF7? :maybe
While I'm at it
Originally posted by Some quote from some novel detailing the precognitive force feat of some mid tier ****er
As though it in turn sensed his contact, the floating remote droid let loose a volley of laser beams (blaster bolts) aimed at him, simultaneously zipping from one midair position to the next as it fired. Jax, blindfolded, whipped up the energy sword, countering each burst by knowning, before it was fired, which direction it would come from. One...two...three...four...five...The sixth, and last, beam stung him painfully on the right side.
"Blast!" Jax pulled off the blindfold and spoke the deactivation code for the remote, which drifted to the floor. He sat down on the extruded lip of a wall couch and looked ruefully at the weapon in his hand.
"I see its remote one, human zero, " a voiced said. Jax looked up to see I-Five in the doorway of the small, enclosed courtyard in which the Jedi had been practicing.
"I'm beginning to think that Laranth is right, " Jax said. " The Jedi should have practiced more with other weapons. " He grimaced. "Don't tell her I said that."
"On the other hand, no one but a Jedi could have blocked five out of six beams. "
Jax shrugged. "It makes no difference if it's the sixth one or the first one that kills you. Dead is dead. "
"I wouldn't know. I do know, however, ", I-Five said, "that you're much better with that sword than you think you are. "
Jax glanced down at the weapon, saw his disorted reflection looking back at him from the blade's surface. "Yeah? How do you know th---?"
I-Five suddenly whipped up his left hand, index finger extended, and fired a leaser beam at Jax. The beam splashed off the ionized fire that suddenly coated the length of the blade, which Jax had automatically raised to block the beam.''
"That's how," I-Five said, "The speed of light is just under three hundred thousand kilometers per second. You are currently seven-point-three meters from me. Your Force-augmented anticipatory reflex action is obviously working fine. You just have to let it."
Force augmented reflexes can deflect lasers from less than 10 meters away. Luke should be above this level
Jenova/Sephiroth is a alien hybrid who merged with the planet's lifestream and is the most powerful being in FFA universe ever created and the crushes Luke via instant teleport and decapitation.