Kingdom Gog vs King Thor

Originally posted by red sabre
you dont make any sense now. a depowered suprman would lose to a depowered colossus... so colossus> superman by this logic? it does not make any sense at all.
i dont care what are their feats without the powers, this is a debate of them having the powers. this is just irrelevant.

thor never lost a fight? he did win his fight alright, but in those fight he did poorly and i would even dare to say that in some of them he did worse than average thor, like vs perrikus and vs desak.eventually beating iron man or surviving a cruel beatdown from desak doesnt put him as a victor to me.

overall judging by feats and performance Gog did much better when full powered and was a big threat.
king thor on the other hand, even after getting his powers back got taken down by captain america physically. got a run for his money from ironman. did worse against perrikus than average thor did. got mopped by desak several times until the end. i am sorry king thor did not strike me as a powerful individual at all unless we take into account the last showing which is a mjolnir showing and not really his to begin with.

Those opponents are far superior than anyone Gog beat in a fair fight.

Gog fought lesser opponents and was beaten while being at full power expending too much of his power to prevail.

So saying his own hammer and him being worthy again doesn't count then you're just ignoring feats in order to come to a certain conclusion.

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Thor wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He wasn't depowered by weakness exploitation he used all of his energy. That's far different and he lost. Thor was cut off from the Odinpower and still defeated Hulk and the Thing.

Those opponents are far superior than anyone Gog beat in a fair fight.

Gog fought lesser opponents and was beaten while being at full power expending too much of his power to prevail.

So saying his own hammer and him being worthy again doesn't count then you're just ignoring feats in order to come to a certain conclusion.

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Thor wins.

you were mentioning their performance while not at full power so i pointed out that in this fight both of them at full power.
Gog after collecting the powers of all the superman he killed was a league above king thor. he was not depowered due to energy lost as far as i remember, batman used a plot device to wound him, same as a plot device was used to take away the powers from king thor.
Gog killed supermans from different timelines, superman alone is a foe who easily puts to shame or would beat almost anyone king thor faced.
Gog defeated the entire JLA as well.
it took superman from present and future, wonder women from present and future, and JLA to fight him and they couldnt.
only via batmans plot device they managed to wound him.

while gog dominated high heralds like nothing, King Thor on the other hand did not.
i admit he fought more powerful guys but he did not very well with them.

if i am to judge from my point of view the only king thor who would be able to defeat Gog is the king thor from the end of the arc that beheaded desak.
until that point he would fall to Gog IMO.

i am not ignoring the desak feat. i am just stating its more of a mjolnir feat than his own. but of course it was his control of the odin force and mjolnir achieving such feat , so i wont take that away from him.

Originally posted by red sabre
you were mentioning their performance while not at full power so i pointed out that in this fight both of them at full power.
Gog after collecting the powers of all the superman he killed was a league above king thor. he was not depowered due to energy lost as far as i remember, batman used a plot device to wound him, same as a plot device was used to take away the powers from king thor.
Gog killed supermans from different timelines, superman alone is a foe who easily puts to shame or would beat almost anyone king thor faced.
Gog defeated the entire JLA as well.
it took superman from present and future, wonder women from present and future, and JLA to fight him and they couldnt.
only via batmans plot device they managed to wound him.

while gog dominated high heralds like nothing, King Thor on the other hand did not.
i admit he fought more powerful guys but he did not very well with them.

if i am to judge from my point of view the only king thor who would be able to defeat Gog is the king thor from the end of the arc that beheaded desak.
until that point he would fall to Gog IMO.

i am not ignoring the desak feat. i am just stating its more of a mjolnir feat than his own. but of course it was his control of the odin force and mjolnir achieving such feat , so i wont take that away from him.

The Odinpower would laugh at multiple Supermen and has greater feats than Gog. Greater feats and no feats of expending too much energy to being depowered especially considering Thor's hammer can absorb and redirect the blasts right back into Gog's face.

You agreed Thor wins by the end of the arc which is the Thor we are using here.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Gog can expend too much energy and depowered himself in this very matchup whereas the same has not happened to King Thor.

The Odinpower would laugh at multiple Supermen and has greater feats than Gog. Greater feats and no feats of expending too much energy to being depowered especially considering Thor's hammer can absorb and redirect the blasts right back into Gog's face.

You agreed Thor wins by the end of the arc which is the Thor we are using here.

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i think you are talking about different version of gog there are 3 of those.

Kingdom gog was injured via plot device just like king thor so there is no shame in that.

only thing is aside of owning multiple superman Gog had powers such as time manipulation and very high levels of energy manipulation as well. while his feats of fighting consist of owning JLA and dozens of supermans, his power imply is equel / greater than king thors.

i dont see king thor being actually able to kill superman as easy and kindom gog did without much effort.

as i said earlier. king thor during his entire arc would fall to kindom gog. king thor regaining mjolnir at the very last panel had an insane feat that put him as a solid skyfather.
however its confusing because later on we see king thor with mjolnir doing crap vs perrikus and even worse than average thor did.
also with mjolnir king thor stalemated by genis.

if we take only the king thor from the beheading desak instant then he wins but i think it was somewhat of an "orgasm" hyperbole feat to celebrate the return of mjolnir, because later on he again did crap in fights.

Originally posted by red sabre
i think you are talking about different version of gog there are 3 of those.

Kingdom gog was injured via plot device just like king thor so there is no shame in that.

only thing is aside of owning multiple superman Gog had powers such as time manipulation and very high levels of energy manipulation as well. while his feats of fighting consist of owning JLA and dozens of supermans, his power imply is equel / greater than king thors.

i dont see king thor being actually able to kill superman as easy and kindom gog did without much effort.

as i said earlier. king thor during his entire arc would fall to kindom gog. king thor regaining mjolnir at the very last panel had an insane feat that put him as a solid skyfather.
however its confusing because later on we see king thor with mjolnir doing crap vs perrikus and even worse than average thor did.
also with mjolnir king thor stalemated by genis.

if we take only the king thor from the beheading desak instant then he wins but i think it was somewhat of an "orgasm" hyperbole feat to celebrate the return of mjolnir, because later on he again did crap in fights.

He owned a team of far less powerful characters than King Thor. 🙂

King Thor had later mastered the Odinforce far better later through experience. The guy never lost a fight. 🙂

That was the last feat for this Thor as he went back in time to stop this future from happening. We accept the feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gog exerted too much energy. We don't ignore the how he lost his energy.

He owned a team of far less powerful characters than King Thor. 🙂

King Thor had later mastered the Odinforce far better later through experience. The guy never lost a fight. 🙂

That was the last feat for this Thor as he went back in time to stop this future from happening. We accept the feat.

everybody got raped by gog until batman injured him via plot device.

and who did king thor owned that supress beating 2 wonder women and 2 superman?
you know what? who did he beat that supress superman alone?
he got a run for his money vs ironman. who else did he beat? perrikus? supermam will destroy perrikus. who else? thing and hulk? 😆 . after regaining his powers he got taken down physically by captain america. who else did king thor beat? he got raped by desak until the final end, and i already said that king thor at the final end regaining mjolnir and controlling the odin force the way he did should beat gog.
so basically until the very end non of the opponents he beat holds a candle to even superman alone.

as i pointed out at the very end when beheading desak in the destroyer armor IMO king thor reached a level that will allow him to defeat Gog. until that point he is barely a trans leveler and would fall to kindom gog.

its hard for me at least to talk about king thor, because there is the king thor we saw 99.9% of the entire time, and then there is the king thor they show us at the very end for 1 feat. therefor i think its important to point out which king thor is discussed because its like goku and then the super syan goku.

Gog wins