As I am OP I reserve the right to stay objective to the facts and these are the facts.
I just spent last night for a few hours at the comic book store and none of comics I can not find shows him losing his power to artificial red sunlight. In fact all these scans posted by Board Walker in closer look prove that he does not lose his power at all from it. You have to actually look at them and not see what you want to see.
Then I went backed looked at these scans extensively, none of them show him "losing his power." What they do show is resisting artificial red sunlight and basically laughing at it. All the anti-superman people posted scans thinking no one was actually going to take at what the hell is going on because of "board hype." Well board hype lost this time as your all wrong.
Arguing Red Sun here is pointless as all Zeus can create is artificial sunlight which he is resistant too.
Superboy Prime He is immune to magic , He is immune to artificial sunlight, He has more strength then Zeus. With his power suit and time power he utterly wrecks Zeus. His strength is high enough to move planets.
Then we have Superman..Yea..good luck with that. one too.
Zeus has zero time to deal with the both of these guys. He gets speed blitz and crushed the same way he crushed hulk.
He might be able to deal with one of them both, he gets wrecked.
Originally posted by Supra
Its in the scans posted previously.
I went back through the thread and only saw Galan's scans, so If I missed some, my bad.
Anyway, what he posted supports both his and my (and I believe DC's) stance on the character.
Prime is Kryptonian. Alternate universe, sure, but still Kryptonian. He's a solar battery, who, when he has a charge, is able to fly, shoot heat vision etc.
While the nature of red sun isn't entirely consistent, it has at the very least, for the most part, harmlessly shut off or drained Superman's powers. It did the same to Prime both in Infinite Crisis and in the Sinestro Corps War of Green Lantern.
So where is the evidence that it doesn't take his powers? Infinite Crisis? He was already running on fumes by the time they hit Mogo.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I went back through the thread and only saw Galan's scans, so If I missed some, my bad.Anyway, what he posted supports both his and my (and I believe DC's) stance on the character.
Prime is Kryptonian. Alternate universe, sure, but still Kryptonian. He's a solar battery, who, when he has a charge, is able to fly, shoot heat vision etc.
While the nature of red sun isn't entirely consistent, it has at the very least, for the most part, harmlessly shut off or drained Superman's powers. It did the same to Prime both in Infinite Crisis and in the Sinestro Corps War of Green Lantern.
So where is the evidence that it doesn't take his powers? Infinite Crisis? He was already running on fumes by the time they hit Mogo.
Where is this red sun coming from and how is Zeus just going to magically have time to get it done when he's getting speed blitzed. The sun used in Infinite Crisis is natural or artificial? I thought it was natural.
The scan posted of him going up against a being of artificial red sunlight shows him resisting.
This scan says his powers fade under the sector that has a red sun..
"Red Suns Current Within Sector Zero"
http://imgur.com/8z5XWYE
Here they are barley getting his armor off, being hit with knite and "red flames"..then he destroys them all showing no sign of weakness.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=mlt4l4&s=5#.UuTLu2TTkzU
Still trying to find this comic to see the next scene as this one does not show much...we don't if thats artificial or real, and barley anything is happening in that scene.
http://imgur.com/IUc2qNU
Originally posted by Supra
Where is this red sun coming from and how is Zeus just going to magically have time to get it done when he's getting speed blitzed. The sun used in Infinite Crisis is natural or artificial? I thought it was natural.The scan posted of him going up against a being of artificial red sunlight shows him resisting.
This scan says his powers fade under the sector that has a red sun..
"Red Suns Current Within Sector Zero"
http://imgur.com/8z5XWYEHere they are barley getting his armor off, being hit with knite and "red flames"..then he destroys them all showing no sign of weakness.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=mlt4l4&s=5#.UuTLu2TTkzUStill trying to find this comic to see the next scene as this one does not show much...we don't if thats artificial or real, and barley anything is happening in that scene.
http://imgur.com/IUc2qNU
I never said Zeus could, or would do it. Just that red sun is a weakness of his.
The suit had been charging him all of that time.
That's from the Superboy Prime issue of Sinestro Corps war. It's a separate tie-in.
Kryptonite doesn't work because he's not from the main universe. Magic is something he's highly resistant to. But red sun energy, however it's created or whatever source it comes from, can and will drain him.
The only thing that would stop it, is a yellow sun powering him at the same time, though YMMV on that.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I never said Zeus could, or would do it. Just that red sun is a weakness of his.The suit had been charging him all of that time.
That's from the Superboy Prime issue of Sinestro Corps war. It's a separate tie-in.
Kryptonite doesn't work because he's not from the main universe. Magic is something he's highly resistant to. But red sun energy, however it's created or whatever source it comes from, can and will drain him.
The only thing that would stop it, is a yellow sun powering him at the same time, though YMMV on that.
OK well then if there is no red sunlight present, there is no way Zeus can taking these two down right?
Originally posted by Galan007but Spectre uses his powers (which can be limitless), so using common sense, Presense power is magical.
You are applying finite terminology to an infinite being. The Presence's powers can be whatever the phuck he wants them to be.
If I use your own powers to do something and it is said that my powers are magical then your powers are magical.
The Presence's powers could be magical, or Kryptonian, or Czarnian, or Martian, or Atlantean, or Oan, or New Genosian, or Zrffian, or dog, or cat, or bubble gum, or Pepsi, or taco, etc. etc. etc... All at the same time if he so chooses.
Where The Presence is concerned, 1+1 does not have to equal 2. Once more, you cannot quantify an infinite entity with finite ABC logic-- that defeats the purpose of infinity entirely.
Originally posted by Galan007I understood you from day one. You didn't understand me. I'll be clear. if presense powers can be all those things then so can Spectre's power since he can use it without limits.
The Presence's powers could be magical, or Kryptonian, or Czarnian, or Martian, or Atlantean, or Oan, or New Genosian, or Zrffian, or dog, or cat, or bubble gum, or Pepsi, or taco, etc. etc. etc... All at the same time if he so chooses.Where The Presence is concerned, 1+1 does not have to equal 2. Once more, you cannot quantify an infinite entity with finite ABC logic-- that defeats the purpose of infinity entirely.
In summary, one able to use God's power without limits implies that the nature of God's power is the nature of that individual's power.
Originally posted by Galan007you didn't address my point but rather argued around it. Spectre can use any and every power of the Presense, yet his power is magical. What is the conclusion?
Spectre's powers are defined as magical. The Presence isn't confined to any such tier. Simple.You're using finite logic to come up with a finite way to describe the infinite. This is horrendously faulty on pretty much every level.
a.) Spectre cannot use "any and every" power of the Presence--that would make them equals, which they are not.
b.) The conclusion is that God made one of his aspects(Spectre) a magical entity. This, however, certainly doesn't imply that God must be magical by proxy. Do you understand what being omnipotent/infinite in the most literal sense actually means? Power of that order simply cannot be quantified/limited to a single classification. srsly
Originally posted by Galan007concerning a) after 4 posts you finally understand me. what took you so long? I understood you on day one. Galan step your game up.
a.) Spectre cannot use "any and every" power of the Presence--that would make them equals, which they are not.b.) The conclusion is that God made one of his aspects(Spectre) a magical entity. This, however, certainly doesn't imply that God must be magical by proxy. Do you understand what being omnipotent/infinite in the most literal sense actually means? Power of that order simply cannot be quantified/limited to a single classification. srsly
Spectre can't always use "any and every power" but he can at certain times (when he is operating without restriction).