Originally posted by EpicurusWould be hilarious if the ehchantment was still in effect eventhough the hammer won't travel dimensions. We'd see surfer's board flying back to Thor against Surfer's will xD
I doubt that movie Mjolnir is capable of navigating back to Thor from other dimensions. Which is what the board probably does to things that pass through it; trapping them in a pocket dimension or some other sh1t which is usually invoked to explain crap like this in fiction.
Originally posted by Epicurus
No it's not, especially when we see how the Surfer's power actually disintegrates sh1t eg Doom.
I would say there is some difference between Surfer using the power of the board active towards Doom and activing the board against a missile, we never see Surfer talking nore hinting towards trapping anything inside the board, which I why I worked with what we have actually seen the Surfer doing through the film, disintegrating. Either way it's irrelevant since we both agree on Surfer and Jordan winning.
Originally posted by Epicuruswasn't that what it was trying to do whenever Thor went through the warpholes?
I doubt that movie Mjolnir is capable of navigating back to Thor from other dimensions. Which is what the board probably does to things that pass through it; trapping them in a pocket dimension or some other sh1t which is usually invoked to explain crap like this in fiction.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Actually, there is none, since the power that he actively uses for disintegration or any of his myriad misc feats comes from the board itself.
In one incident the Surfer the channeling the energy from the board actively towards Doom, the missile however simply disappears on contact with the board. Hence I see a difference. You might believe that the Surfer used the board to trap the missile in a alternate pocket dimension, even though nothing in the film alludes to Surfer having that possibility, but whatever.
Originally posted by Utrigita
In one incident the Surfer the channeling the energy from the board actively towards Doom, the missile however simply disappears on contact with the board. Hence I see a difference. You might believe that the Surfer used the board to trap the missile in a alternate pocket dimension, even though nothing in the film alludes to Surfer having that possibility, but whatever.
I am mentioning it due the fact that this sort of an explanation is always used to explain sh1t like someone disappearing through a portal. And my comments, to be precise, were regarding how the board can potentially contain a tesseract space which is what enables to store objects like a phucking missile, despite being the size of a regular surfboard.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Yup, and the difference is that the missile got bfred/trapped in the board.I am mentioning it due the fact that this sort of an explanation is always used to explain sh1t like someone disappearing through a portal. And my comments, to be precise, were regarding how the board can potentially contain a tesseract space which is what enables to store objects like a phucking missile, despite being the size of a regular surfboard.
Originally posted by Epicurus
I don't want textbook definitions of the term"entropy"tesseract or how hard it is to manipulate it in real life.I want actual onscreen proof of what
ManhattanSurfer did to thoseearringsmissile was indeed referred as him"reversing entropy"opening a pocket dimension. Not fan-based speculation.
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Originally posted by Epicurus
Which is what the board probably does to things that pass through it; trapping them in a pocket dimension or some other sh1t which is usually invoked to explain crap like this in fiction.
But I love it when people try to find a chink in my armor and end up horribly failing in said endeavor. That's always good for a few laughs.😂
Originally posted by Epicurus
^But I love it when people try to find a chink in my armor and end up horribly failing in said endeavor. That's always good for a few laughs.😂
You'll notice I quoted a different quote.
No need to find the chink in the armour, there is a gaping hole. The challenge comes in showing your hypocrisy to you.
Either way, glad you agree its "probably" which still means it didn't happen at all unless stated in the movie. according to you.
Originally posted by Placidity
You'll notice I quoted a different quote.No need to find the chink in the armour, there is a gaping hole. The challenge comes in showing your hypocrisy to you.
Either way, glad you agree its "probably" which still means it didn't happen at all unless stated in the movie. according to you.
Hypocrisy, lol. The irony in your sentence is so strong that my pc literally crashed due to it. You do realize that I openly admit that what I am doing in my convo with Utrigia is speculative by its nature, right?
Unlike you and DrDeadpool who were parading your interpretation of Manhattan's feat as if it was indisputable objective fact.
Still 😂ing at this sh1t. It's almost profile-worthy.
Originally posted by Utrigita
When nothing in any way alludes to that being the case on screen or in the rest of the movie?Nevermind I'll find the script and see what it says.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Which is not even remotely similar to what happens when the Surfer actually disintegrates stuff:
Considering that the power to perform each feat in both cases comes from the board, I'd say my case is pretty solidly presented.👆
Originally posted by Epicurus
Except for this:Which is not even remotely similar to what happens when the Surfer actually disintegrates stuff:
Considering that the power to perform each feat in both cases comes from the board, I'd say my case is pretty solidly presented.👆
I can see your point, I simply see it this way that, if the missile had entered a portal to another dimension the exhaust from the missile would have vanished aswell, which it didn't. To me it looks alot more like the missile dissolved/disintegrated on contact with the board. The exhaust from the Atom Bomb that Iron Man carried through the portal for instance didn't leave a trail behind, it simply vanished. And since both movies are operating in the same fictional universe so to speak, there should be some consistency atleast imo.
Hence my previous comment that I see a difference between the surfer actively channeling his power towards a being, and a object coming into contact with the board as was the case with the missile. We had numerous showings throughout the movie that the board and the surfer had, to put it mildly, a effect on molecules that made them run amok.
Anyway will be writing to Mark Frost to hear how he sees the scene, since his cowriter Don Payne died. I'll get back when I have his answer.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I can see your point, I simply see it this way that, if the missile had entered a portal to another dimension the exhaust from the missile would have vanished aswell, which it didn't. To me it looks alot more like the missile dissolved/disintegrated on contact with the board. The exhaust from the Atom Bomb that Iron Man carried through the portal for instance didn't leave a trail behind, it simply vanished. And since both movies are operating in the same fictional universe so to speak, there should be some consistency atleast imo.Hence my previous comment that I see a difference between the surfer actively channeling his power towards a being, and a object coming into contact with the board as was the case with the missile. We had numerous showings throughout the movie that the board and the surfer had, to put it mildly, a effect on molecules that made them run amok.
Anyway will be writing to Mark Frost to hear how he sees the scene, since his cowriter Don Payne died. I'll get back when I have his answer.
Iyo, did he disintegrate and then reconstruct his body when appearing out of his board?
Your comment was rendered invalid based on the onscreen evidence posted showcasing the difference between his board-trapping and disintegrating stuff. Just accept it and move on.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Unlike you and DrDeadpool who were parading your interpretation of Manhattan's feat as if it was indisputable objective fact.
You'll need to be specific as to who was presenting it as indisputable objective fact. Because lumping us together so you can apply the same criticism is an obvious fallacy. Not everything said needs to be qualified.
That aside, your hypocrisy remains. You give leeway in what you can speculate about Surfer. Yet you absolutely object to the fact that Manhattan "may" have displayed the ability to reverse entropy. You even go on to say it didn't happen unless it was stated in the movie. That is an absolute statement. The fact you do not apply this standard, speculative or not, to Surfer is in fact clearly and unmistakably hypocrisy.
Furthermore, speculative or not, according to your own standard, any opinion you may have is only fan-based speculation, and ought to be dismissed without consideration.
You speak smugly, which is fine, but without substance, it makes you a fool.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Hypocrisy, lol. The irony in your sentence is so strong...
Clearly, the word "irony" doesn't mean what you think it means. Or maybe its "hypocrisy"? Or both?
Originally posted by Placidity
You'll need to be specific as to who was presenting it as indisputable objective fact. Because lumping us together so you can apply the same criticism is an obvious fallacy. Not everything said needs to be qualified.That aside, your hypocrisy remains. You give leeway in what you can speculate about Surfer. Yet you absolutely object to the fact that Manhattan "may" have displayed the ability to reverse entropy. You even go on to say it didn't happen unless it was stated in the movie. That is an absolute statement. The fact you do not apply this standard, speculative or not, to Surfer is in fact clearly and unmistakably hypocrisy.
Furthermore, speculative or not, according to your own standard, any opinion you may have is only fan-based speculation, and ought to be dismissed without consideration.
You speak smugly, which is fine, but without substance, it makes you a fool.
What hypocrisy? I openly admit that I am speculating in this particular scenario. At no point have I gone on record to say that it is objective fact. What I am doing is discussing the specifics of a feat performed, not its effectiveness. What you did directly calls into question the effectiveness of the feat Manhattan performed, since it being tk and it being entropy/time manip are 2 very different things.
Nope, it's only dismissed when you mix up speculation with actual feats. Try to keep up.
Ah, insults. The trademark KMC gimmick of butthurt posters to resort to once they've been backed into a corner. Tell me; why should I waste anymore time bothering to partake in this useless offtopic discussion with you, when you can't even keep a coherent mind while doing said discussion?