Guys, this is not a proof that he has dynamic strengh ?
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/absorbing/adventuresof636a.jpg
Guys, this is not a proof that he has dynamic strengh ?
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/absorbing/adventuresof636a.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
Lets add this to it as well.
Lets add actual reason and canon instead.
Like so.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You're missing the point.The beginning stats for Shang-Chi, Jubilee, Hal and Spider-Man are not augmented by a change in disposition. Shang-chi could've always used the death touch at the beginning of the brawl. Jubilee could've made a Christmas tree out of a small state at the start. Hal could've gone Krona killer from the get go.
These are elements of plot that we are all used to.
The only example that is comprable to Superman here is Thor under a specific circumstance.
Thor entering Warrior Madness has definitive increases in power that are consistent and NOT plot driven.
Originally posted by JBL
I can use Spiderman and get the same results. Just because someone beats someone else ( mostly plot ) it does not means dynamic strength or every character in comic can wear that Crown.
That is complete and utter nonsense.
Show me where Spider-Man leaps from class 10 to 100 due to plot without augmentation.
Superman went from struggling with a single Imperiex probe, a probe capable of killing thousands of Daxamites, to smashing them at will.
Clark clearly jumped a tier when the mental blocks were off.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynHe went all out. Thor went from getting beat up by Airwalker to killing him with one toss of his hammer. Same thing.
That is complete and utter nonsense.Show me where Spider-Man leaps from class 10 to 100 due to plot without augmentation.
Superman went from struggling with a single Imperiex probe, a probe capable of killing thousands of Daxamites, to smashing them at will.
Clark clearly jumped a tier when the mental blocks were off.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
He went all out. Thor went from getting beat up by Airwalker to killing him with one toss of his hammer. Same thing.🙂
Not at all.
You fail again.
That is indicative of bad writing not Thor entering an actual higher tier like when he goes into Warrior Madness.
Go get the Thor Corps and they will affirm everything I've just said.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynIt is the same thing. When heroes go all out they all are far more formidable. Superman's mental block ps make it harder for him to do so compared to other heroes.
Not at all.You fail again.
That is indicative of bad writing not Thor entering an actual higher tier like when he goes into Warrior Madness.
Go get the Thor Corps and they will affirm everything I've just said.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is the same thing. When heroes go all out they all are far more formidable. Superman's mental block ps make it harder for him to do so compared to other heroes.
It is the scale that counts obviously.
Spider-Man flooring Luke Cage because he broke Aunt May is one thing. Parker smashing the Juggernaut for the same offense is another.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynI simply said most heroes have another level when they stop holding back. No different. Thor's level is higher than Superman's IMO.
It is the scale that counts obviously.Spider-Man flooring Luke Cage because he broke Aunt May is one thing. Parker smashing the Juggernaut for the same offense is another.
Originally posted by carver9A recent example would be Thor having extreme trouble with a Black Berserker on his first go around to smashing tons of them almost easily.
So I guess that means Thor, Wolverine, and Spiderman have dynamic strength because they've done everything you just mentioned. Hell, Spiderman has done it to a higher degree when letting loose.
Another example would be Thor getting his ass straight up kicked by one secondary adamantium Ultron and having to go all out to destroy it, to smashing many many secondary adamantium Ultrons when he was fighting an army of them.
Dynamic strength Thor.
Those suggesting that Superman is no different than other heroes with respect to having a dynamic power level clearly have not read many Superman comics. Writers don't like to waste panels, much less whole story arcs. And some writers devoted whole story arcs detailing how Superman had dynamic power in a way that other heroes did not.
That being said, while the general idea of Superman having more of an 'extra gear' than other heroes became fairly accepted, I would not say it was universally so. Nor were the precise details ever completely agreed to. In some cases his powers were controlled by willpower or his emotional state. In other cases, he simply held back more than other top end heroes, which produced the an apparent effect of dynamic power even if there was no true dynamism. In some cases all of these were combined.
We aren't talking Hulk-like dynamic power for the most part. Under some writers, Superman really didn't seem to get much more from going all out than characters like Thor or Surfer. Under others, he could indeed jump a tier or two. So it's quite difficult to really average it all out for battleboard purposes. He is a tough character to evaluate. But it is fair to asterisk his fights and suggest that he has a shot at winning battles he normally would get beaten in, should he really get serious (and have the right writer). Of course this is true for many heroes, but nearly to the same extent. There was something different going on with him. It would appear that there still is, under some writers, in the DCNU.
There is a big difference between dynamic strength, and a character that is simply not holding back, imo.
Superman almost always pulls his punches, so when he finally does cut lose, he typically displays power many times greater than his 'norm'(ie. raping Imperiex Probes like fodder.) However, I certainly wouldn't call this dynamic strength in the same sense that someone like Hulk employs it... In these cases Superman is just allowing himself to use all of his available strength--he's not gaining strength that isn't already on-tap.
Conversely, Hulk does continuously gain strength that wasn't available beforehand, so long as he keeps getting pissed. That is how I define 'true' dynamic strength. /shrug
Yes. But under SOME writers, it has been suggested that Superman has a similar (if watered down) ability. One writer said he starts to draw in more solar energy when he gets emotional. Others have said he is basically able to be as strong as he wants to be in some undefined way. There was no complete consensus on the mechanics, and I would agree that in many cases he didn't have truly dynamic power. In other cases he seemed to.
Originally posted by Galan007
There is a big difference between dynamic strength, and a character that is simply not holding back, imo.Superman almost always pulls his punches, so when he finally does cut lose, he typically displays power many times greater than his 'norm'(ie. raping Imperiex Probes like fodder.) However, I certainly wouldn't call this dynamic strength in the same sense that someone like Hulk employs it... In these cases Superman is just allowing himself to use all of his available strength--he's not gaining strength that isn't already on-tap.
Conversely, Hulk does continuously gain strength that wasn't available beforehand, so long as he keeps getting pissed. That is how I define 'true' dynamic strength. /shrug
But if u take an objective look at his history superman more than any other character is only limited by his will
