Multiversal Ranking
Rank these character, and Which Caracter is above multiversal?
Anti-Monitor (the one Spectre fought at the dawn of time)
Parallax (Zero Hour)
Mr Mxyzptlk
Lucifer Morningstar
Mandrakk(Dax Novu)
Krona (Entropy)
Cosmic Armor Superman
Living Tribunal
Eternity (Multi eternity)
Wanda (HoM)
Mad Jim Jaspers
Emperor Joker
Chaos King
Abraxas
Dominus
Originally posted by Digi
Anti-Monitor's feats were much less ambiguous than many of the others. I tend to think he's higher than most people do.I can't comment on many of these. There's only a few I could reliably rank near the bottom. The top is a mess, and it's likely you won't get a consensus top 5 from responses.
No one on that list is coming close to that in terms of power.
The rest of that list is gonna cause a sh|t storm so I'm staying out of it.
Originally posted by zopzop
WF Mxy destroyed and then recreated the DC multiverse with a snap of his fingers and said he does this weekly.No one on that list is coming close to that in terms of power.
The rest of that list is gonna cause a sh|t storm so I'm staying out of it.
Was this a response to me? I never mentioned Mxy. I just said forming a coherent top 5 would be impossible. Do you disagree?
Originally posted by zopzop
What WF Mxy did and the ease with which he did it puts the rest of the list to shame. No one comes close.
Smh. I didn't say Anti-monitor was above Mxy. Again, I never said a single word about Mxy. All I said was, I have AM higher than some others on the forum do, because many of the others have feats that are harder to interpret.
They're basically all multiversal, and I don't recognize "above multiversal" as being a thing.
A ranking will cause a shitstorm, so I'll just make a few general comments instead about how I would rank them if I were going to do so, which I won't.
1. Feats > Statements
2. Ambiguous feats and the like > Statements
3. Time and ease of performing feats is relevant. e.g. ZH Parallax was causing universal creation/destruction, but with far from snap of the fingers ease. That knocks him down quite a bit.
4. Control of powers is also relevant. e.g. HoM Wanda or Emperor Joker were not in control to the extent of other players here.
Originally posted by operator616
Why not?There are realities/multiverses beyond the mainstream one, and there are individuals who affected/have influence over them, making them "above multiversal".
It's semantics. There's a case to be made that all power of those involved can be classified as some level of multiversal.
Originally posted by Cogito
A ranking will cause a shitstorm, so I'll just make a few general comments instead about how I would rank them if I were going to do so, which I won't.1. Feats > Statements
2. Ambiguous feats and the like > Statements
3. Time and ease of performing feats is relevant. e.g. ZH Parallax was causing universal creation/destruction, but with far from snap of the fingers ease. That knocks him down quite a bit.
4. Control of powers is also relevant. e.g. HoM Wanda or Emperor Joker were not in control to the extent of other players here.
Some decent points. My mind went to a similar point about EJ when I first saw the list, and it's true of Wanda like you said. Even if they possess the same level of power as some of the others, to say they'd display that power as reliably as the others is another matter entirely.
Originally posted by Digi
It's semantics. There's a case to be made that all power of those involved can be classified as some level of multiversal.
Except that Marvel (in many cases) clearly differentiates between a multiverse and the omniverse. Take this for example from a new exiles letter pages:
http://i.imgur.com/yARZYy7.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/hzXtbIR.jpg?1
"the omniverse ..........there are infinite multiverseS inside of it"
There are a LOT more (and i do mean it) examples.
Or something to directly contradict Cogito's claim: a fight between post retcon Owen and the Beyonder which was fought on a trans-multiversal scale:
http://i.imgur.com/4cIUQlL.jpg?1
"Trans-multiversal" literally translates to "Beyond-multiversal".
Originally posted by operator616
Except that Marvel (in many cases) clearly differentiates between a multiverse and the omniverse. Take this for example from a new exiles letter pages:http://i.imgur.com/yARZYy7.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/hzXtbIR.jpg?1"the omniverse ..........there are infinite multiverseS inside of it"
There are a LOT more (and i do mean it) examples.
Or something to directly contradict Cogito's claim: a fight between post retcon Owen and the Beyonder which was fought on a trans-multiversal scale:
http://i.imgur.com/4cIUQlL.jpg?1
"Trans-multiversal" literally translates to "Beyond-multiversal".
aaaaaaaaaaannnnddd welcome to my indifference. I was clarifying his point, not signing up for this.
Originally posted by operator616
Except that Marvel (in many cases) clearly differentiates between a multiverse and the omniverse. Take this for example from a new exiles letter pages:http://i.imgur.com/yARZYy7.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/hzXtbIR.jpg?1"the omniverse ..........there are infinite multiverseS inside of it"
There are a LOT more (and i do mean it) examples.
Or something to directly contradict Cogito's claim: a fight between post retcon Owen and the Beyonder which was fought on a trans-multiversal scale:
http://i.imgur.com/4cIUQlL.jpg?1
"Trans-multiversal" literally translates to "Beyond-multiversal".
Ok. Here's the deal, as I see it.
We've never really seen multiple multiverses in Marvel, afaik, except for when the LT was supposedly holding two megaverses in his hands. Not even when Thanos had the HOTU. There's been mention of omniversal powers and potential, but that just goes back to my first and second points.
As far as I'm concerned, until we really see it, I'm just going to pretend like it doesn't exist. Sometimes writers want to throw around big words, but I just don't buy it until they back it up with something remotely concrete.
I like the Mxy feat as much as anybody .. the problem is.. it was in a world's funniest comic.. we all know those are meant to be funny an a joke.. most times they aren't even canon to the mainstream multiverse. I like the feat.. I just think people take a comic meant to be funny a little too literally.
Originally posted by Cogito
Ok. Here's the deal, as I see it.We've never really seen multiple multiverses in Marvel, afaik, except for when the LT was supposedly holding two megaverses in his hands. Not even when Thanos had the HOTU. There's been mention of omniversal powers and potential, but that just goes back to my first and second points.
As far as I'm concerned, until we really see it, I'm just going to pretend like it doesn't exist. Sometimes writers want to throw around big words, but I just don't buy it until they back it up with something remotely concrete.
I see. Although not only have we seen other multiverses, and had crossovers, but other multiverses have several titles of their own centered in them.
There was a crossover called Starblast which dealt with a separate multiverse called New Universe.
Here's one confirmation from Quasar #56 (and there are many more) that they come from a separate multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/Olz5fBr.jpg?1
"We are in another multiverse"
Earlier in Quasar #31, the Watcher says "You went outside the multiverse, into the greater omniverse":
http://i.imgur.com/wWjXsWc.jpg?1
Btw, There are multiple titles which take place in New Universe. I can name them if you want.
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Have you heard of the Avengers/Ultraforce crossover? Where do you think the Ultraforce comes from? It's a separate multiverse called the Ultraverse .
It was never referred to as such on panel, but we know for a fact that it's a reality outside the mainstream multiverse, and a 2007 handbook clarifies that it's a multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/2cu0Pot.jpg?1
"In that other multiverse"
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Where do you think Earth-Shadowline comes from? You guessed it, it's a separate reality outside the multiverse. It's a reality with no gods (unlike the mainstream Marvel multiverse), it's mostly filled with Shadow-Dwellers. Here's the scan from Dr Zero #1 (a title which is centered on Earth-Shadowline, which bears no relations whatsoever to the mainstream multiverse):
http://i.imgur.com/3fvGycO.jpg
....Hence why the handbook puts Earth-Shadowline outside the mainstream multiverse but inside the omniverse:
http://i.imgur.com/OzdCLU5.jpg?1
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Where do you think Trasnformers-reality (pertaining Marvel) takes place? Yup, it's a separate multiverse.
See, Marvunapp puts Transformers outside the mainstream multiverse (inside the megaverse, beside realities such as Earth-Shadowline) because it has a different hierarchy (different cosmic characters which have their own creation story):
On the other hand, due to the fact that the hierarchy of cosmic characters of both Transformers universes [Unicron, Primus] does not mesh with the usual Marvel assortment of cosmic beings [Eternity, Death, Galactus, Lord Chaos, Master Order, etc.] one could place them in the Marvel Megaverse along with such tertiary realms as Earth-Shadowline.
Link: http://www.marvunapp.com/list/app8162.htm (see bottom page)
It's a completely separate multiverse with its own cosmic beings and its own creation story (Big Bang):
Transformers (US) #74:
http://i.imgur.com/CM4WqgM.jpg
Transformers Ultimate Guide handbook: The Big Bang:
http://i.imgur.com/lGyoB7u.jpg?2
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Want me to continue? 🙂 Coz believe me, i could go on and on. That should be enough though.....no?
So not only have we actually seen other multiverses, but there are entire titles centered in those other multiverses.
Of course, while reading those titles you won't see something like "in that other multiverse" because those titles are centered in that other mutiverse. That's like having an Avengers comic saying "Oh hey, we're in a multiverse which is separate from that of the 'New Universe' or 'Earth-Shadowline', etc.. etc..."
How often do you see something like that? .... You don't.
