Korg vs Sasquatch

Originally posted by carver9
I think you are missing his point.

No, he is going by Sasquatch's low showings and ignored majority of his appearances. His "point" was a shovel put him on his knees so that must make him less durable and less powerful....even though that contradicted all his other appearances. Now that's faulty logic.

Korg doesn't have much. He "beat" Wonderman who wasn't at full-power and was going through some low showings (and apparently happened off-panel too), got beat up by Hulk, and fought evenly with Thing and the rest of his race were defeated by Thor. There's not much else to go on, while Walter has far more highs then lows and his highs put him comfortably over Korg, as well as his averages.

Sasquatch was also stabbed by wooden spikes, there is a reason his durability is a 4 in the handbooks. He has healing but not superhuman durability.

Im late leaving and I'm on my cell so can't post links

The wooden spikes and shovel is from the same story. Which underplayed Walter which even jinzin a big sabretooth fan agreed his durability was misused. That was the same story that sabretooth killed and skined the unkillable wendigo.

Again you act like hulk hasn't been impaled by much less too. Yet they both having showings that say they should be able to not be injuried by those attacks. Again you're just going by low showings and ignoring every thing else which contradict those few outliner low showings. Also did you miss the part where I said his healing factor makes korgs durability advantage a push? As a Healing factor compensates for having lower durability. Again which you are ignoring. Always downplaying AF characters

Fyi, in another handbook he is listed as having metahuman durability which means "able to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures and concussions WITHOUT sustaining injury". Also that was his durability without factoring in his healing factor too. Keep low balling though. Also not having superhuman durability? Bwahaha clearly you don't know what your talking about. He'll even in the bio you mentioned specially mentions he has superhuman durability

So to sum it up korg really doesn't have any feats that would even suggest he would win nor does he have many feats period. Supporters of korg only go by Walters low showings and ignore everything else.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes, he's always in flux that's part of his powerset. Even referenced in Avengers that his flux made him more powerful this time to

but you said it was faulty logic for bringing up he thing fight. He hasn't done much, so of course I'm going to bring it up. It was maybe 2-3 panels too. How is that faulty logic?

That's not at all what you said. According to you, his powers were said to be directly weakened during that era. Was that just bullshit or was it the official stance at the time? Because I read the Avengers pretty thoroughly and pretty much all of his appearances but at no point was this brought up as far as I can recall. And yes, during his most recent appearances, his instability was blamed on fluctuations in his energy form but to reverse project that to any appearance is some Superman level bullshit imho. I mean, yes, based on what I know of Wonder Man and his powers, I can potentially dismiss any low showing but that wouldn't be entirely honest.

No, I was referring to the dismissal of Korg's fight with Wonder Man. I don't know or care about the Thing fight.

Originally posted by -K-M-
No, he is going by Sasquatch's low showings and ignored majority of his appearances. His "point" was a shovel put him on his knees so that must make him less durable and less powerful....even though that contradicted all his other appearances. Now that's faulty logic.

Korg doesn't have much. He "beat" Wonderman who wasn't at full-power and was going through some low showings (and apparently happened off-panel too), got beat up by Hulk, and fought evenly with Thing and the rest of his race were defeated by Thor. There's not much else to go on, while Walter has far more highs then lows and his highs put him comfortably over Korg, as well as his averages.

You're still missing his point. You using one showing to make assumptions of Korg capabilities is the same thing he is doing but to a lesser extent. Korg really doesn't have many showings but the ones he does have gives him the majority imo. Can't see Sasquash lasting as long against WWH like Korg did. WWH was one shotting people like Sasquash. Can't see Sasquash still being awake after a pissed punch from WWH (that sent Korg through a mountain) like Korg did.

Korg has the strength and durability advantage and no matter how much you downplay it, he defeated Wonderman with ease. Korg wins this after a good fight.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Im late leaving and I'm on my cell so can't post links

The wooden spikes and shovel is from the same story. Which underplayed Walter which even jinzin a big sabretooth fan agreed his durability was misused. That was the same story that sabretooth killed and skined the unkillable wendigo.

Again you act like hulk hasn't been impaled by much less too. Yet they both having showings that say they should be able to not be injuried by those attacks. Again you're just going by low showings and ignoring every thing else which contradict those few outliner low showings. Also did you miss the part where I said his healing factor makes korgs durability advantage a push? As a Healing factor compensates for having lower durability. Again which you are ignoring. Always downplaying AF characters

Fyi, in another handbook he is listed as having metahuman durability which means "able to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures and concussions WITHOUT sustaining injury". Also that was his durability without factoring in his healing factor too. Keep low balling though. Also not having superhuman durability? Bwahaha clearly you don't know what your talking about. He'll even in the bio you mentioned specially mentions he has superhuman durability

So to sum it up korg really doesn't have any feats that would even suggest he would win nor does he have many feats period. Supporters of korg only go by Walters low showings and ignore everything else.

I'm sorry, but using Handbooks type stats as evidence of power levels is like quoting wikipedia in a research paper. I mean, I'm sure Walter can withstand what was mentioned without injury, at least on a good day, but let's use actual feats/showings (Which seems to be your gripe with Korg) instead of quoting the generic terminology of a handbook class.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's not at all what you said. According to you, his powers were said to be directly weakened during that era. Was that just bullshit or was it the official stance at the time? Because I read the Avengers pretty thoroughly and pretty much all of his appearances but at no point was this brought up as far as I can recall. And yes, during his most recent appearances, his instability was blamed on fluctuations in his energy form but to reverse project that to any appearance is some Superman level bullshit imho. I mean, yes, based on what I know of Wonder Man and his powers, I can potentially dismiss any low showing but that wouldn't be entirely honest.

No, I was referring to the dismissal of Korg's fight with Wonder Man. I don't know or care about the Thing fight.

Official. On my phone but can't post scans. He also wasn't in his ionic form in the fight nor did we see korg actually ko him did we?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm sorry, but using Handbooks type stats as evidence of power levels is like quoting wikipedia in a research paper. I mean, I'm sure Walter can withstand what was mentioned without injury, at least on a good day, but let's use actual feats/showings (Which seems to be your gripe with Korg) instead of quoting the generic terminology of a handbook class.

Ummm he was the one who mentioned the handbooks first. Him referencing the handbook that had him 4/7 specifically mentioned him having superhuman durability. So why your going after me for using handbooks when I have stated examples nor did I bring up the handbooks in the first place is beyond me

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ummm he was the one who mentioned the handbooks first. Him referencing the handbook that had him 4/7 specifically mentioned him having superhuman durability. So why your going after me for using handbooks when I have stated examples nor did I bring up the handbooks in the first place is beyond me

He did? Then pretend my post was directed at him. I saw the handbooks mentioned in your post first, my bad. Either way, I don't think that shit has any place in a debate seeing as I've come across files that gives the Destroyer armor the same handbook stats as Spider-Man and Thor having his regular 7/7 etc.

I'm saying Sasquatch has alot of low durability showings to go with high ones.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He did? Then pretend my post was directed at him. I saw the handbooks mentioned in your post first, my bad. Either way, I don't think that shit has any place in a debate seeing as I've come across files that gives the Destroyer armor the same handbook stats as Spider-Man and Thor having his regular 7/7 etc.

Originally posted by carver9
You're still missing his point. You using one showing to make assumptions of Korg capabilities is the same thing he is doing but to a lesser extent. Korg really doesn't have many showings but the ones he does have gives him the majority imo. Can't see Sasquash lasting as long against WWH like Korg did. WWH was one shotting people like Sasquash. Can't see Sasquash still being awake after a pissed punch from WWH (that sent Korg through a mountain) like Korg did.

Korg has the strength and durability advantage and no matter how much you downplay it, he defeated Wonderman with ease. Korg wins this after a good fight.

One example? He doesn't really have any other examples!!!!! And you would be wrong. Hercules who wasn't even fighting back was taking his lumps. You are making a large assumption Sasquatch couldn't do the same. No facts. Just assumption

Prove it then. Also again wonder man wasn't even in his ionic form and the fight happened off-panel. Amazing.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Official. On my phone but can't post scans. He also wasn't in his ionic form in the fight nor did we see korg actually ko him did we?

When you can, please post them.

I remember seeing him punch Wonder Man and then we see him laid out IIRC.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He did? Then pretend my post was directed at him. I saw the handbooks mentioned in your post first, my bad. Either way, I don't think that shit has any place in a debate seeing as I've come across files that gives the Destroyer armor the same handbook stats as Spider-Man and Thor having his regular 7/7 etc.

It's not. Are you forgetting out of the entire board I post the most scans and feats? I don't just go by handbooks. Hell for years and only until recently Walter was only class 70 in majority of the handbooks

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I did mention it. But KM likes to quote the handbooks.

As to supplement the scans. I don't just go by handbooks which you did here

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When you can, please post them.

I remember seeing him punch Wonder Man and then we see him laid out IIRC.

Laid out was shown later after the punch, which didn't show wm falling (or I could be wrong? It's been years). For all we know more could have happened

Originally posted by -K-M-

As to supplement the scans. I don't just go by handbooks which you did here

Originally posted by juggernaut74
No, I cited examples of poor durability also. One issue he had to have medical aid because of a light flash or something damaged his eyes.

Back to just going by low showings eh? Ignore the majory of his showings eh? Use a handbook entry to prove he doesn't have superhuman durability even though in the bio it says he does. Love your logic.

When did this happen? Proof. Regardless hulk has been blinded by light. I want to see this tjough

Originally posted by -K-M-
One example? He doesn't really have any other examples!!!!! And you would be wrong. Hercules who wasn't even fighting back was taking his lumps. You are making a large assumption Sasquatch couldn't do the same. No facts. Just assumption

Prove it then. Also again wonder man wasn't even in his ionic form and the fight happened off-panel. Amazing.

Don't know why you all keep using the Herc fight.

Hulk JUST came out of a fight against an AMPED Ironman that brain stabbed him with an adamantium spike and looking at the second scan, 'Hulk was hurt'.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot9_zpsfbaa4863.jpg.html?sort=3&o=19
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot10_zps15dd0582.jpg.html?sort=3&o=18

Some seconds didn't even pass before the hero's start taunting Hulk which lead to him attacking.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot11_zps7f354335.jpg.html?sort=3&o=17

Pretty clear Herc didn't fight a nourished Hulk. Lets also not forget that Herc admitted that Hulk was holding back his strength (as we can clearly see during the time he was punching Herc). Herc said he would have died if Hulk didn't pull his punches. You have to do better than this KM.

Prove what? The obvious. I already explained to you why I think what I think.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Back to just going by low showings eh? Ignore the majory of his showings eh? Use a handbook entry to prove he doesn't have superhuman durability even though in the bio it says he does. Love your logic.

When did this happen? Proof. Regardless hulk has been blinded by light. I want to see this tjough

I think it was Marvel Comics Presents.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know why you all keep using the Herc fight.

Hulk JUST came out of a fight against an AMP Ironman that brain stabbed him with an adamantium spike and looking at the second scan, 'Hulk was hurt'.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot9_zpsfbaa4863.jpg.html?sort=3&o=19
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot10_zps15dd0582.jpg.html?sort=3&o=18

Some seconds didn't even pass before the hero's start taunting Hulk which lead to him attacking.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot11_zps7f354335.jpg.html?sort=3&o=17

Pretty clear Herc didn't fight a nourished Hulk. Lets also not forget that Herc admitted that Hulk was holding back his strength (as we can clearly see during the time he was punching Herc). Herc said he would have died if Hulk didn't pull his punches. You have to do better than this KM.

Prove what? The obvious. I already explained to you why I think what I think.

Are you people daft or something? That was the first time I mentioned Hercules.

Haha so now hulk was weakened hitting Hercules who wasn't even fighting back? Haha love it. In another book they actually said herc could have been one of the people that stopped hulk and they said the reason herc didn't fight back as he agreed with hulk. Nice try though.

And you're wrong as usual. Shocking.