Originally posted by Utrigita
Yeah because Galactus can't teleport after him....I have no idea how Monarchs power work, but if he is basically a container of energy (which is what I have understood) Galactus should be able to absorb his energy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How often that works for him? And when did Galactus absorbed enough energy to destroy the universe?
A couple of times.
Elders of the universe, Hyperstorm, Vision in the Ultimate universe are examples of Galactus absorbing energy used against him. The Hyperstorm incident was a endless supply of energy, I don't know if Monarch falls into that catagory.
First off wouldn't that also mean that Monarch kills himself? Second what stops Galactus from simply teleporting to another dimension and then return? and didn't the planet the monitor was on survive as well?
Originally posted by Utrigita
A couple of times.Elders of the universe, Hyperstorm, Vision in the Ultimate universe are examples of Galactus absorbing energy used against him. The Hyperstorm incident was a endless supply of energy, I don't know if Monarch falls into that catagory.
First off wouldn't that also mean that Monarch kills himself? Second what stops Galactus from simply teleporting to another dimension and then return? and didn't the planet the monitor was on survive as well?
Teleporting away is not saving Galactus from Monarch.
Originally posted by Utrigita
A couple of times.Elders of the universe, Hyperstorm, Vision in the Ultimate universe are examples of Galactus absorbing energy used against him. The Hyperstorm incident was a endless supply of energy, I don't know if Monarch falls into that catagory.
First off wouldn't that also mean that Monarch kills himself? Second what stops Galactus from simply teleporting to another dimension and then return? and didn't the planet the monitor was on survive as well?
Why would monarch split his suit open? I was asking about what happens when Galactus breaches his armor and gets KTFO by the explosion?
The planet along with the whole universe was destroyed, the monitors recreated the whole universe after that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Elders survived and made him fall sick, they were complete jobbers in that arc TBH. Hyperstorm is a good choice though but "endless supply" of energy is likely a hyperbole. He is nowhere near Monarch level either. Monarch can absorb energy too BTW as he's essentially Captain Atom powered up to the nth times and we've seen Atom absorb ****ing Nekron's energies. What happens when Monarch starts absorbing Galactus' energy?Why would monarch split his suit open? I was asking about what happens when Galactus breaches his armor and gets KTFO by the explosion?
The planet along with the whole universe was destroyed, the monitors recreated the whole universe after that.
The elders survived given their pact with Death, something that Monarch to my knowledge doesn't have. Not really, hyperspace is a endless supply of energy used by multiple characters across the marvel universe. And that was the whole point with Reed forcing Hyperstorm to meet Galactus, that Galactus boundless hunger would trap Hyperstorm forever since Hyperstorm was a conduit to a endless supply of energy. Then we will see who is the best energy manipulator, however I don't believe Monarch is close to operating in the same way Galactus does, nor does he have the same hunger.
Given that Galactus has already survived the Big Bang, three things can happen imo. He ignores it, he raises a shield, he teleports away.
The monitor that survived (using a shield) was shown walking on a planet immidiately after the explosion, a small tree was also growing there. I recall the scan quite clearly given that it was a source of much debate.
Originally posted by UtrigitaWhy not? Captain Atom is essentially immortal with even Johnny Sorrow's gaze failing to kill him.
The elders survived given their pact with Death, something that Monarch to my knowledge doesn't have.
Not really, hyperspace is a endless supply of energy used by multiple characters across the marvel universe.That's as likely as Quantum force being described as limitless. The difference is that Captain Atom has actually created universe with it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Captain Atom destroying a universe after creating it.
Hyperstorm had nothing but statements in his resume and the instant elevation in Ranks by "He fought Galactus!!!1". The circular logic is funny though. It only applies to marvel characters, hyperstorm fought Galactus!!!!
And that was the whole point with Reed forcing Hyperstorm to meet Galactus, that Galactus boundless hunger would trap Hyperstorm forever since Hyperstorm was a conduit to a endless supply of energy.Total hyperbole. Since Galactus is still hungry and Hyperstorm is nowhere to be found.
Then we will see who is the best energy manipulator, however I don't believe Monarch is close to operating in the same way Galactus does, nor does he have the same hunger.Heh, tell that to Hunger or Tyrant or ****ing Dire Wraiths. But I'll humor you. Here is Cap absorbing Nekron's energy in his own realm.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43043ad.jpg
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Given that Galactus has already survived the Big Bang, three things can happen imo. He ignores it, he raises a shield, he teleports away.Hahaha, tell me you didn't just use eternity protecting Galan as a durability feat for Galactus. Please, we've seen Galactus nearly die from two planets colliding in the past after hunger absorbed some of his energy.
The monitor that survived (using a shield) was shown walking on a planet immidiately after the explosion, a small tree was also growing there. I recall the scan quite clearly given that it was a source of much debate. [/B]The monitors would shit stomp puny galactus, so who the **** cares?
@abhi: You asked when has Galactus absorbed universal-scale energy?
Galactus absorbed the equivalent of weeks of collected and saved energy from Franklin Richards, the same guy who casually makes universes in his bedroom closet without relying on external powersources.
Also, Taa-II. Some other misc feats as well that I don't remember. In which case: Bran, get your lazy ass in this thread right now.
Originally posted by Epicurus
@abhi: You asked when has Galactus absorbed universal-scale energy?Galactus absorbed the equivalent of weeks of collected and saved energy from Franklin Richards, the same guy who casually makes universes in his bedroom closet without relying on external powersources.
Also, Taa-II. Some other misc feats as well that I don't remember. In which case: Bran, get your lazy ass in this thread right now.
Taa II was never universal level AFAIK.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why not? Captain Atom is essentially immortal with even Johnny Sorrow's gaze failing to kill him.That's as likely as Quantum force being described as limitless. The difference is that Captain Atom has actually created universe with it.
Hyperstorm had nothing but statements in his resume and the instant elevation in Ranks by "He fought Galactus!!!1". The circular logic is funny though. It only applies to marvel characters, hyperstorm fought Galactus!!!!
Total hyperbole. Since Galactus is still hungry and Hyperstorm is nowhere to be found. Heh, tell that to Hunger or Tyrant or ****ing Dire Wraiths. But I'll humor you. Here is Cap absorbing Nekron's energy in his own realm.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43043ad.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43070pc.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43113dr.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43126kt.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43136pd.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43149ly.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captatom43156lu.jpg
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Hahaha, tell me you didn't just use eternity protecting Galan as a durability feat for Galactus. Please, we've seen Galactus nearly die from two planets colliding in the past after hunger absorbed some of his energy.
The monitors would shit stomp puny galactus, so who the **** cares?
The Elders can't be claimed which is what made them remake themselves inside Galactus. Unless I'm missing something Monarch haven't reappeared after he got blown up.
And the Celestials that is empowered with the energy from hyperspace used it (according to the Xmen Universe) to make the marvel universe/multiverse, so ...
Not really, it's just a example of Galactus using his energy control to absorb energy from a being below him. Then there is also Taa II in the secret wars, perhaps the greatest energy source in the universe.
More like completely logical. Galactus can never be fully sated, and Hyperstorm being what he is, would eventually have collapsed from the stress. I mean no matter his durability at some point he would run into not having the durability to withstand the pressure Galactus would be forcing on him by absorbing the energies within him.
Hunger, a dimensional parasite that fleed (initially) from Galactus assaults, Tyrant that had his ass firmly handed to him the first time around, The dire wraiths, beings of magic, which Galactus has a mixed track record against. Nice picks. Vision using dark matter that would have destroyed the Gah Lak Thus (the same machine that only lost 20% of it's mass agaisnt a weapon powered by a big bang btw.) I've seen that already. But thanks for showing it.
Eternity protected Galan, I do not recall it having been mentioned that Galactus was protected by anything when the 616 universe came into existance. And in the same act we saw him standing in the middle of a Supernova, completely fine btw.
The monitors perhaps, but a single monitor? I care because the scan clearly showed that the planet (the planet Monarch was on, fro what I gather) was intact. Which means that the blast, while it might have wiped out life in the universe, didn't have enough blast power (atleast not at ground zero) to destroy a planet. Which would also explain why the monitor survived.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why Sol's Anvil, a solar powered device outperformed Galactus against Voltron Celestials? Was it explained anywhere that the enrgy he absorbed from Franklin was universal level?Taa II was never universal level AFAIK.
Franklin was pretty freaked out when he was forced to use a bit of that power to fend off the Mad Celestials in his first encounter with them, to the point that Adult Frank had to console him that the remaining bit would still hopefully be enough. Considering that in the very same story arc Franklin made a universe without worrying at all, I'd say that the blue ball was definitely a universal-scale of quantitatively condensed energy. Also, young Franklin had to save all that power over weeks leading upto the final battle with the Mad Celestials.
Taa-II's power was enough to briefly hold his own against Pre-Retcon Beyonder though. Along with Reed claiming that it's the greatest energy source in existence or some sh1t.
Originally posted by UtrigitaHe reappeared as Captain Atom in Action Comics as it was Cap all along who went mad with that suit and absorbed Captain Atoms from the multiverse.
The Elders can't be claimed which is what made them remake themselves inside Galactus. Unless I'm missing something Monarch haven't reappeared after he got blown up.
And the Celestials that is empowered with the energy from hyperspace used it (according to the Xmen Universe) to make the marvel universe/multiverse, so ...That's like saying regular captain atom is as powerful as Monarch or Sue Storm is as powerful as Celestials. Just because they share the same power source doesn't mean they are as powerful as Celestials or can channel as much power as them.
Not really, it's just a example of Galactus using his energy control to absorb energy from a being below him.Monarch isn't below Galactus.
Then there is also Taa II in the secret wars, perhaps the greatest energy source in the universe.And? Any feat from Taa II because Reed Richards can be hyperbolish plenty of times.
More like completely logical. Galactus can never be fully sated, and Hyperstorm being what he is, would eventually have collapsed from the stress.That's not what "limitless" means. Galactus' hunger isn't infinite. We've seen Skaar capable of sating him for thousands of years.
I mean no matter his durability at some point he would run into not having the durability to withstand the pressure Galactus would be forcing on him by absorbing the energies within him.Total speculations.
Hunger, a dimensional parasite that fleed (initially) from Galactus assaultsDid he?,
Tyrant that had his ass firmly handed to him the first time around,And who handed Galactus his ass when he was sated and in his home turf by absorbing his energy.
The dire wraiths, beings of magic, which Galactus has a mixed track record against.Hah, nice excuses.
Nice picks. Vision using dark matter that would have destroyed the Gah Lak Thus (the same machine that only lost 20% of it's mass agaisnt a weapon powered by a big bang btw.)I wouldn't use Cataclysm as a good showing where Kitty Pryde is kicking Galan's ass right now.
I've seen that already. But thanks for showing it.Glad to help.
Eternity protected Galan, I do not recall it having been mentioned that Galactus was protected by anything when the 616 universe came into existance.Big bang had already happened it by then and Eternity sealed him in an egg. A watcher had the power to kill him in that state while he was gestating. A ****ing watcher.
And in the same act we saw him standing in the middle of a Supernova, completely fine btw.Shows how weak he is when he gets drained.
The monitors perhaps, but a single monitor?Yup, a single monitor would kick Galactus' worthless ass like a cheap hooker. Remember what happened to Spectre and Radiant?
I care because the scan clearly showed that the planet (the planet Monarch was on, fro what I gather) was intact.Not the planet, a small part of land protected by Monitor's shield.
Which means that the blast, while it might have wiped out life in the universe, didn't have enough blast power (atleast not at ground zero) to destroy a planet. Which would also explain why the monitor survived.It destroyed the whole unverse, it got re-created by Monitors, Karate Kid ended up spreading a virus which wiped out the whole universe in countdown and then Nix Uotan recreated it at the end of FC. Monarch absolutely destroyed that universe.
Originally posted by EpicurusReed pretty clearly stated that the main power source of Anvil was sun. So how much it amplified Sun's energy to outperform beings who have more power than universes?
Sol's Anvil also drew power from other sources like the Negative Zone. Not to mention that Hickman confirmed it on Formspring a long time ago that the Anvil's tech amplifies the energy that it draws from the Sun.
And I never though that you, a Superman-fan of all people, would use solar-powered devices to lowball the character you're arguing against.Superman has a long history of shitting on energy conservation.
Franklin was pretty freaked out when he was forced to use a bit of that power to fend off the Mad Celestials in his first encounter with them, to the point that Adult Frank had to console him that the remaining bit would still hopefully be enough. Considering that in the very same story arc Franklin made a universe without worrying at all, I'd say that the blue ball was definitely a universal-scale of quantitatively condensed energy.That's pretty far fetched. Hal Jordan has created a universe, Animal Man with 2 other M-field users have created universe. I take those kind of feats with a grain of salt.
Also, young Franklin had to save all that power over weeks leading upto the final battle with the Mad Celestials.Didn't Adult Franklin absorbed that energy?
Taa-II's power was enough to briefly hold his own against Pre-Retcon Beyonder though. Along with Reed claiming that it's the greatest energy source in existence or some sh1t.In secret wars? That was Beyonder playing with Galactus or some shit. There is nothing called pre-retcon beyonder in canon though, its all CCU at this point.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He reappeared as Captain Atom in Action Comics as it was Cap all along who went mad with that suit and absorbed Captain Atoms from the multiverse.That's like saying regular captain atom is as powerful as Monarch or Sue Storm is as powerful as Celestials. Just because they share the same power source doesn't mean they are as powerful as Celestials or can channel as much power as them.
Monarch isn't below Galactus. And? Any feat from Taa II because Reed Richards can be hyperbolish plenty of times.
That's not what "limitless" means. Galactus' hunger isn't infinite. We've seen Skaar capable of sating him for thousands of years. Total speculations.
Did he?, And who handed Galactus his ass when he was sated and in his home turf by absorbing his energy. Hah, nice excuses. I wouldn't use Cataclysm as a good showing where Kitty Pryde is kicking Galan's ass right now. Glad to help.
Big bang had already happened it by then and Eternity sealed him in an egg. A watcher had the power to kill him in that state while he was gestating. A ****ing watcher. Shows how weak he is when he gets drained.
Yup, a single monitor would kick Galactus' worthless ass like a cheap hooker. Remember what happened to Spectre and Radiant? Not the planet, a small part of land protected by Monitor's shield. It destroyed the whole unverse, it got re-created by Monitors, Karate Kid ended up spreading a virus which wiped out the whole universe in countdown and then Nix Uotan recreated it at the end of FC. Monarch absolutely destroyed that universe.
Okay, as I said I'm not familiar with Monarch. Still he could be destroyed ko etc.
Didn't say that was the case, merely pointed out what the Hyperspace energies are far from as lacking of feats as you described. And Hyperstorm was described as being a living conduit for it, so I think it stands to reason that his ability to use said energy was extremely high.
Iyo.
Yes, lets just ignore Reed Richards. On another note, that energy allowed Doom to fight Pre Retcon Beyonder for a extended amount of time, and in the retell said energy allowed Doom to overcome the Beyonder. I think the energies from Taa II have shown where it's at in terms of power.
"A hunger which can neverly truly be sated" That is the way Galactus hunger has been described over the years. Also iirc it was Surfer speculating that the Old Power would sate Galactus, when infact it did the exact opposite and made him seek out even more planet. He basically got addicted. Addiction coupled with a endless hunger really isn't the best of cocktails.
Care to explain to me then why Hyperstorm haven't reappeared and Galactus has?
Yes, Galactus said so himself "Thanos this being initially withered before my assaults"
Tyrant defeated Galactus by using his tech against him. Is Monarch known as a great Technopath or is Galactus ship howering above? If that is the case the OP should have been a bit more specific.
Do you deny that he has a mixed record against magic? What does it even matter? Last time I checked Monarch didn't utilize magic as his primary energy source of attack.
Should we wait until the comic is out on the on the 26 before jumping to conclusions? Guess not. So we might as well recall that the last scan from the preview show Galactus beating her. But then again I guess one showing in the end takes away Galactus tanking Dark Matter bomb to the face?
Not in the recent retelling shown in the Fantastic four. But then again that doesn't really change that Galan was protected, Galactus that was there at the big bang wasn't. A watcher that had like a fraction of a second, the same watchers that Exitar had to use eons in order to gather the required energy to destroy the strongest off. The Watchers, despite given their mixed record are far from weak.
He didn't get drained in that comic though, so I don't quite see your point.
Mandrakk is equal to the one monitor shown to survive the blast?
Doesn't make any sense imo. So a part of the land is protected by the shield cool, yet everything are destroyed. Yet the monitor is fine. Seems alot more to me like everything resembling life was wiped out in the universe, but the rest (planets etc.) was still there just barren.
Originally posted by UtrigitaAll Galactus can do is to rupture the suit and that would knock him out at least going on average portrayals.
Okay, as I said I'm not familiar with Monarch. Still he could be destroyed ko etc.
Didn't say that was the case, merely pointed out what the Hyperspace energies are far from as lacking of feats as you described. And Hyperstorm was described as being a living conduit for it, so I think it stands to reason that his ability to use said energy was extremely high.Without any feats at all? Great logic.
Iyo.Nope.
Yes, lets just ignore Reed Richards.Yes, lets do. He was rather melodramatic under Shooter.
On another note, that energy allowed Doom to fight Pre Retcon Beyonder for a extended amount of time, and in the retell said energy allowed Doom to overcome the Beyonder. I think the energies from Taa II have shown where it's at in terms of power.I don't think even you believe that. Think back at what you just said. Second thing, there is no thing such as Pre-retcon beyonder in canon. Beyonder is merely a CCU now.
"A hunger which can neverly truly be sated" That is the way Galactus hunger has been described over the years.And so is Hulk is the strongest one there is. Neither is true.
Also iirc it was Surfer speculating that the Old Power would sate Galactus, when infact it did the exact opposite and made him seek out even more planet.Nah, Galactus himself said it and it only happened after Skaar corrupted the old power.
He basically got addicted. Addiction coupled with a endless hunger really isn't the best of cocktails.Read it again.
Care to explain to me then why Hyperstorm haven't reappeared and Galactus has?Who cares? He got killed by Galactus stepping over him for all I know.
Yes, Galactus said so himself "Thanos this being initially withered before my assaults"When nothing of that sort happened? It adapted right in the same scan and absorbed Galactus' power.
Tyrant defeated Galactus by using his tech against him.Or by draining his energy.
Is Monarch known as a great Technopath or is Galactus ship howering above? If that is the case the OP should have been a bit more specific.In a lower power base he can absorb Nekron's energy. Is Galactus now more powerful than Nekron?
Do you deny that he has a mixed record against magic? What does it even matter? Last time I checked Monarch didn't utilize magic as his primary energy source of attack.It was a simple overwhelming and energy drain. He was nearly killed by twelve member of a race when ****ing Rom had killed one of them.
Pathetic.
Should we wait until the comic is out on the on the 26 before jumping to conclusions? Guess not. So we might as well recall that the last scan from the preview show Galactus beating her. But then again I guess one showing in the end takes away Galactus tanking Dark Matter bomb to the face?Of course we should wait. But I don't think battling it out and beating a giant Kitty Pryde is such a big feat.
Not in the recent retelling shown in the Fantastic four.You may as well throw out all the origins for Galactus then. One thing is sure though. Galactus was born after big bang, he didn't endure it.
But then again that doesn't really change that Galan was protected, Galactus that was there at the big bang wasn't.Nope.
A watcher that had like a fraction of a second, the same watchers that Exitar had to use eons in order to gather the required energy to destroy the strongest off.And who have been beaten by the likes of Quasar and Lunatik. But don't wait for me.
The Watchers, despite given their mixed record are far from weak.A watcher was evaporated in the same blast which everybody from Annihilus to nova endured.
He didn't get drained in that comic though, so I don't quite see your point.Hunger didn't drain Galactus?
Mandrakk is equal to the one monitor shown to survive the blast?Mandrakk II is just a normal monitor albeit corrupted by Mandrakk I's blood.
Doesn't make any sense imo.Its from countdown, what did you expect?
So a part of the land is protected by the shield cool, yet everything are destroyed.Yup.
Yet the monitor is fine. Seems alot more to me like everything resembling life was wiped out in the universe, but the rest (planets etc.) was still there just barren.Nope, monitors are just that uber. It was directly stated that the monitors recreated Earth-51 which was made lifeless by morticoccus virus inside Karate Kid.
