Superman runs the herald gauntlet

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why and how? Just because you said so?

Nah, the huge lowballing of superman has ceased since then.

You made that statement - not me. Apparently you think people who say he loses in a hand to hand lowballs Superman which it does not.

And he still loses to Herc hand to hand. Unless you think Superman can outstrike Zeus.

Hercules is equally tireless in hand to hand combat and can best Superman in slugfests and he has far more experience in hand to hand. Superman is accustomed to using any/all of his powers so yes restricting them weakens his odds of winning whether you like it or not.

But as a slugfest is off topic - Clark takes this only if he avoids a standing slugfest(out of character for his fighting style)...so as I stated he wins.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
You made that statement - not me. Apparently you think people who say he loses in a hand to hand lowballs Superman which it does not.

And he still loses to Herc hand to hand. Unless you think Superman can outstrike Zeus.

Hercules is equally tireless in hand to hand combat and can best Superman in slugfests and he has far more experience in hand to hand. Superman is accustomed to using any/all of his powers so yes restricting them weakens his odds of winning whether you like it or not.

But as a slugfest is off topic - Clark takes this only if he avoids a standing slugfest(out of character for his fighting style)...so as I stated he wins.

At least see the topic before posting. What is Zeus doing in this thread? Last I checked he nearly killed Herc in 3 punches.

You looks like you have no ****ing clue about superman or even hercules and picked up some online descriptions of the characters. No offense. Go read some Avengers and superman comics and come back. You seriously think superman who is one of the best if not THE best brawler in the herald category is unaccustomed to brawling? SMH.

Just tell me one thing, who was the last top tier who beat Superman in h2h preboot without weakness exploitation?

Originally posted by horrorwolf
You made that statement - not me. Apparently you think people who say he loses in a hand to hand lowballs Superman which it does not.

And he still loses to Herc hand to hand. Unless you think Superman can outstrike Zeus.

Hercules is equally tireless in hand to hand combat and can best Superman in slugfests and he has far more experience in hand to hand. Superman is accustomed to using any/all of his powers so yes restricting them weakens his odds of winning whether you like it or not.

But as a slugfest is off topic - Clark takes this only if he avoids a standing slugfest(out of character for his fighting style)...so as I stated he wins.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
First of all, its herald gauntlet thread. Not Herc vs Superman. I do think anybody saying superman loses to herc in h2h is off their rockers though.

At least see the topic before posting. What is Zeus doing in this thread? Last I checked he nearly killed Herc in 3 punches.

You looks like you have no ****ing clue about superman or even hercules and picked up some online descriptions of the characters. No offense. Go read some Avengers and superman comics and come back. You seriously think superman who is one of the best if not THE best brawler in the herald category is unaccustomed to brawling? SMH.

Just tell me one thing, who was the last top tier who beat Superman in h2h preboot without weakness exploitation?

My bad, that was for the Supes/Namor thread.

Honestly, I have not read any Superman since Injustice 1(forgive me but I'm sure I'm not a fan of your level) But what does that have to do with his track history and well documented AVERAGE power set? I say average because between low and ridiculous feats of his, we have to have a middle ground. For instance take Quickness.....How do we rate Clark's when at times he is taken down by Grundy and other he dodges Omega Beams? There is what he has potential to do and an operator or chance or likehood.

The problem is that fanboys take the unlikely impossibilities and want them to be standard operating practice which they are not in any sort of theoretical bout.

You want to use high feats for standards and they are not meant to be that. Can Clark fly at light speed? I say yes, but I also know he has to build up to that type of speed....therefore it takes him time to build that speed up...that tells us that his quickness has limits. Fanboys think that because Superman has flown at light before that he operates that way all the time...which is a failed thought process.

So the issue here is that he is fighting in space vs Cosmic Beings that on paper operate regularly above his average skillset of showings, and thats what matters. Can he take down Air Walker....I'll say he has good chances if we take his high showings into account...but bringing Terrax into the picture with a double team is still wrong and its simply unlikely he can take them both down based on powersets durabilty and strengths involved alone.

could stop at 4. i'd give him about even odds. don't see him getting by 5. morg's too much.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
My bad, that was for the Supes/Namor thread.

Honestly, I have not read any Superman since Injustice 1(forgive me but I'm sure I'm not a fan of your level) But what does that have to do with his track history and well documented AVERAGE power set? I say average because between low and ridiculous feats of his, we have to have a middle ground. For instance take Quickness.....How do we rate Clark's when at times he is taken down by Grundy and other he dodges Omega Beams? There is what he has potential to do and an operator or chance or likehood.

The problem is that fanboys take the unlikely impossibilities and want them to be standard operating practice which they are not in any sort of theoretical bout.

You want to use high feats for standards and they are not meant to be that. Can Clark fly at light speed? I say yes, but I also know he has to build up to that type of speed....therefore it takes him time to build that speed up...that tells us that his quickness has limits. Fanboys think that because Superman has flown at light before that he operates that way all the time...which is a failed thought process.

So the issue here is that he is fighting in space vs Cosmic Beings that on paper operate regularly above his average skillset of showings, and thats what matters. Can he take down Air Walker....I'll say he has good chances if we take his high showings into account...but bringing Terrax into the picture with a double team is still wrong and its simply unlikely he can take them both down based on powersets durabilty and strengths involved alone.

and lol at you thinking anyone (a) knows who you are 😕 or, (b) thinks your opinions are in even the tiniest, most microscopic way imaginable, meaningful. such blatant dc hate deserves to be ignored. 🙂

Originally posted by horrorwolf
My bad, that was for the Supes/Namor thread.

but bringing Terrax into the picture with a double team is still wrong and its simply unlikely he can take them both down based on powersets durabilty and strengths involved alone.

Originally posted by leonidas
and lol at you thinking anyone (a) knows who you are 😕 or, (b) thinks your opinions are in even the tiniest, most microscopic way imaginable, meaningful. such blatant dc hate deserves to be ignored. 🙂

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Superman is not holding back etc and heals fully after each match up

1.Air Walker
2.Terrax/Air Walker
3.Red Shift/Terrax/Air Walker
4.C Nova/Red shift/Terrax/Air Walker
5.Morg/C Nova/Red shift/Terrax/Air Walker
6.Stardust/C Nova/Red shift/Terrax/Air Walker
7.Silver Surfer/Stardust/C Nova/Red shift/Terrax/Air Walker

No bfr

How far does Clark get

Using speed and strength to his fullest he gets to 5.

Yeah, I behold you the mighty Airwalker who superman needs his high showings to beat.

That's from his very first appearance BTW.

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Originally posted by horrorwolf
My bad, that was for the Supes/Namor thread.

Honestly, I have not read any Superman since Injustice 1(forgive me but I'm sure I'm not a fan of your level) But what does that have to do with his track history and well documented AVERAGE power set? I say average because between low and ridiculous feats of his, we have to have a middle ground. For instance take Quickness.....How do we rate Clark's when at times he is taken down by Grundy and other he dodges Omega Beams? There is what he has potential to do and an operator or chance or likehood.

The problem is that fanboys take the unlikely impossibilities and want them to be standard operating practice which they are not in any sort of theoretical bout.

You want to use high feats for standards and they are not meant to be that. Can Clark fly at light speed? I say yes, but I also know he has to build up to that type of speed....therefore it takes him time to build that speed up...that tells us that his quickness has limits. Fanboys think that because Superman has flown at light before that he operates that way all the time...which is a failed thought process.

So the issue here is that he is fighting in space vs Cosmic Beings that on paper operate regularly above his average skillset of showings, and thats what matters. Can he take down Air Walker....I'll say he has good chances if we take his high showings into account...but bringing Terrax into the picture with a double team is still wrong and its simply unlikely he can take them both down based on powersets durabilty and strengths involved alone.

I really enjoy reding the argument of ignorance made by people claiming that they know superman's "average" is kind of cute looking at them thinking and trying to grasp straws.

On topic he could go from 3 to 5 non sundiped

And might clear it if he sundips

Originally posted by leonidas
and lol at you thinking anyone (a) knows who you are 😕 or, (b) thinks your opinions are in even the tiniest, most microscopic way imaginable, meaningful. such blatant dc hate deserves to be ignored. 🙂

Superman is able to reach down deep and find a way to win most of the time...

That said, its a completely lost cause for Supes once Morg shows up...

Supes stops dead at 5...

Originally posted by horrorwolf

Fanboys think that because Superman has flown at light before that he operates that way all the time...which is a failed thought process.

I rest my case. 🙄 And rabid fanboyism aside, he still stops COLD at 2.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, I behold you the mighty Airwalker who superman needs his high showings to beat.

That's from his very first appearance BTW.

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As you notice he is going vs Surfer....And Superman's 1st appearance surrounded lifting cars. Your Point?. As I said I can find lowballs for every high feat you have stored. Obviously neither Airwalker nor Terrax has had enough writers and story involvement to match Superman's massive number of appearances, which obviously affects his feats (low or high).

Point still remains, Superman doesn't have the powerset on paper to outmatch both Terrax and Airwalker.

Look who's back and just as "intelligent" as ever. I ask again how is Terrax and Airwalker beating him? Or are your word is enough on its own with no comics agreeing with you?

But post more pre-crisis scans and whine how superman has copied captain marvel, that always works.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
As you notice he is going vs Surfer....And Superman's 1st appearance surrounded lifting cars. Your Point?. As I said I can find lowballs for every high feat you have stored. Obviously neither Airwalker nor Terrax has had enough writers and story involvement to match Superman's massive number of appearances.

Point still remains, Superman doesn't have the powerset on paper to outmatch both Terrax and Airwalker.

Who the **** cares about powersets? All of these characters just blast and punch anyway in fights.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except golden age superman isn't in this thread. Preboot superman started in 1986 after COIE. Shut up with your inane ramblings already.

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Oh my....comic book internet thug frightens me...rotf - Are you serious?!?

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Try getting outside a bit ok kid? Love how morons think they silence others - I realize you're a very very passionate fanboy...but this is a forum where anyone can post theoretical thoughts about FICTIONAL comics...no need to attempt to toughguy the opinions of others ok? Thanks.