Strength Ranking:DCNU IN MARVEL

Started by Rage.Of.Olympus3 pages

Originally posted by carver9
It didn't?

The Avengers was getting stomped before Hulk dived bombed him.

I'm sorry Carver but what?

Based on what did you come to the conclusion that he knocked out Starbrand? Looked more like he momentarily stunned him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm sorry Carver but what?

Based on what did you come to the conclusion that he knocked out Starbrand? Looked more like he momentarily stunned him.

Yeah, it was a stun.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, it was a stun.

So Hulk did not single handedly turn the tide.

Gotcha.

Feats on panel > writer statements.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So Hulk did not single handedly turn the tide.

Gotcha.

He stunned him...did something the entire team didn't come close to doing. He then lifted him off the ground and held him place so that the others can attack.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Feats on panel > writer statements.

Even so,

1) it was right to post in defense of that argument,
for it IS unfair to penalize Hulk for not being able to fly,

2) that DOES parallel the case of pre-1980s Wonder Woman
(though I'm really hoping Hulk is NOT made into a flying character anytime soon),

3) Hickman DID suggest Hulk is the strongest member of his Avengers team, including Hyperion, and that message deserved to be posted to prove as much,

and,

4) there's little if any reason to think Hyperion is stronger than Hulk when Hickman's writing him.

Having said all that: That is an amazing feat.

I thought the Superman "Earth Bench" affair was the benchmark for strong heroes till today.
Stopping an Earth-sized planet moving at speed, though???

That's probably the greatest "objectively" rate-able thing I've seen a Marvel character do.

How in the world did I miss SEEING this till now?
What title and issue number cover that story? 😕

Originally posted by carver9
He stunned him...did something the entire team didn't come close to doing. He then lifted him off the ground and held him place so that the others can attack.

First... He was casually punted out of the planet by accident(by Starbrand).

Second... Thor did more by himself with a hammer throw. Emphasis on himself.

Third... The result of Hulk's comeback attack benefitted from him being thrown by Captain Marvel from the damned atmosphere.

Fourth... Lifting him off the ground for the briefest of moments while stunned is nothing impressive. The next few panels show the whole team had already regrouped and were virtually on top of him. His eventual retaliation was waylaid by Nightmask's appearance.

In short, you are exaggerating Hulk's appearance in that issue. Out of all the things you could have plucked from, you chose to portray something that doesn't even remotely parallel your idea of Hulk being the strongest.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
First... He was casually punted out of the planet by accident(by Starbrand).

Second... Thor did more by himself with a hammer throw. Emphasis on himself.

Third... The result of Hulk's comeback attack benefitted from him being thrown by Captain Marvel from the damned atmosphere.

Fourth... Lifting him off the ground for the briefest of moments while stunned is nothing impressive. The next few panels show the whole team had already regrouped and were virtually on top of him. His eventual retaliation was waylaid by Nightmask's appearance.

In short, you are exaggerating Hulk's appearance in that issue. Out of all the things you could have plucked from, you chose to portray something that doesn't even remotely parallel your idea of Hulk being the strongest.

Lol...Stsrbrand said he didn't even feel Thor attack. He was clearly stunned when Hulk pounded him (and he heard it coming).

Lol at Captain Marvel throwing Hulk back to earth having any type of results with Hulks attack. How else was he getting back to the planet? She didn't have a thing to do with that, it was more on Hulk strength.

It's not the lifting part that's impressive, it's Hulk stunning him while the team couldnt do a thing to him.

Naah, you are just ignoring.l hulk showings. You're discrediting his ft as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Stsrbrand said he didn't even feel Thor attack. He was clearly stunned when Hulk pounded him (and he heard it coming).

Lol at Captain Marvel throwing Hulk back to earth having any type of results with Hulks attack. How else was he getting back to the planet? She didn't have a thing to do with that, it was more on Hulk strength.

It's not the lifting part that's impressive, it's Hulk stunning him while the team couldnt do a thing to him.

Naah, you are just ignoring.l hulk showings. You're discrediting his ft as well.


Wrong.
You keep bringing up the word "team", but Hulk's stunning of Starbrand is the very essence of teamwork.
I mean come on.. CM's rendition of the fastball special and Hulk being chucked from the atmosphere is being overlooked here.

If anyone here is discrediting feats, it's you.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wrong.
You keep bringing up the word "team", but Hulk's stunning of Starbrand is the very essence of teamwork.
I mean come on.. CM's rendition of the fastball special and Hulk being chucked from the atmosphere is being overlooked here.

If anyone here is discrediting feats, it's you.

Thor threw Mjlonir at Starbrand and it didn't do anything. Are you saying Thor arm + Mjlonir is weaker than Captain Marvel? Captain Marvel tossing Hulk back onto the planet doesn't mean anything. My bad, it does mean something. Means that Hulk needed a way back to earth.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor threw Mjlonir at Starbrand and it didn't do anything. Are you saying Thor arm + Mjlonir is weaker than Captain Marvel? Captain Marvel tossing Hulk back onto the planet doesn't mean anything. My bad, it does mean something. Means that Hulk needed a way back to earth.

Again you conveniently omit key particulars that I've emphasized more than once.

a. He was thrown by CM.
b. He was thrown from the atmosphere.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Again you conveniently omit key particulars that I've emphasized more than once.

a. He was thrown by CM.
b. He was thrown from the atmosphere.

And Hulk strength played the major part in that ft.

👆

A fastball special is entirely Wolverine's feat judging from carver.

A nigh cheap shot is the deciding factor as well

Her heard him coming and seen him when he looked up.

Originally posted by carver9
Her heard him coming and seen him when he looked up.

For like half a second.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
For like half a second.

So now you're changing your stance? He didn't see Mjlonir being thrown at him either. He seen it coming, he was even in a different stance when he looked up at Hulk. It's not like Hulk was hiding his attack, he screamed the entire way and Starbrand heard it.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
A fastball special is entirely Wolverine's feat judging from carver.

What is wrong with that logic?

Carver can't possibly be wrong.

Originally posted by carver9
So now you're changing your stance? He didn't see Mjlonir being thrown at him either. He seen it coming, he was even in a different stance when he looked up at Hulk. It's not like Hulk was hiding his attack, he screamed the entire way and Starbrand heard it.

How is that changing a stance?