No left behind or rapture before or during Great Tribulation

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
...No that doesn't explain it. What of the Muslim empires that ruled over Judea and Jerusalem from the beginning of their conquests all the way until modern Israel? That's roughly 1,400 years of history that's totally ignored by the Book of Daniel's prophecy. Why is the immensely destructive genocide attempt by the Nazi empire not mentioned to Daniel? That's something that God should have mentioned. He can warn him ~700 years in to the future, but not further? Why the cut-off date at 70 AD? Why couldn't God let him see further? What was God's explanation for this lapse in prophecy? And again, why are they referred to as "world empires"? They only fall within a certain, small, area of the world? Why that name?

It's fairly obvious that multiple authors over a number of generations accumulated these stories based upon their own, then-present settings. Rome was the last earthly empire becuase that was the big one that existed at the time of writing. These empire are called "world empires" because that area of the world is largely what was known to those people at the time.

Excellent point. Too bad the person you are talking to will simply not read it.

Yeah, I think he missed my point about "God's warning". As in, if God cared so much about the Jews being in their homeland, why did he do f*ck all about maintaining them in their homeland? Following that train of thought, you could actually thank the Nazis for perpetrating the creation of Israel.

But then you'd be thanking the Nazis and questioning why God would allow them in His plan.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yeah, I think he missed my point about "God's warning". As in, if God cared so much about the Jews being in their homeland, why did he do f*ck all about maintaining them in their homeland? Following that train of thought, you could actually thank the Nazis for perpetrating the creation of Israel.

But then you'd be thanking the Nazis and questioning why God would allow them in His plan.

That would mean that the Nazis were doing the will of God. 😱

No wonder the Pope wasn't too keen to criticize them. He foresaw God's plan of the Nazis killing 1/3 of all the Jews so that the Allied victors would feel bad and give them their homeland back. Brilliant, Lord, just brilliant! And so kind and merciful of you too. Millions dead so your useless prophecy could be fulfilled--what a kind and loving Lord you are.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
No wonder the Pope wasn't too keen to criticize them. He foresaw God's plan of the Nazis killing 1/3 of all the Jews so that the Allied victors would feel bad and give them their homeland back. Brilliant, Lord, just brilliant! And so kind and merciful of you too. Millions dead so your useless prophecy could be fulfilled--what a kind and loving Lord you are.

Those were the bad Jews.

(note: to people to stupid to realize what sarcasm is. This is sarcasm.)

I'll sar your chasm. Wink wink.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I'll sar your chasm. Wink wink.

Watch out, BWR will quote you out of context. 😉

He better not, or I'll quote his context!

Hmm...

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He better not, or I'll quote his context!

Hmm...

I laughed, and then scratched my head. 😕

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." (Matthew 12:36)

Originally posted by Bat Dude
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." (Matthew 12:36)

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
"The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. 'But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (words of Jesus) (Luke 12:47-48)

Is that the same time when Jesus didn't know who is mother was?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Is that the same time when Jesus didn't know who is mother was?

Jesus knew quite well who Mary was.

But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. (Matthew 12:48-50)

He's making a point. I didn't think it was that hard to see. Unless you're just baiting...

"The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. 'But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (words of Jesus) (Luke 12:47-48)

You quoted this to either:

A) Say you are not aware that you are doing wrong (which is completely bogus and you know it)

B) Say I will be punished more severely than you because I'm "refusing to do my duty" by not warning you. I've warned you more times than I'm obliged to since I've started posting religious topics. These verses come to mind:

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; (Titus 3:10)

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. (Matthew 7:6)

You obviously have no desire to hear what I'm saying. I sincerely hope that both of you will have your eyes opened and get saved. It CAN be done, because I was just as pompous and arrogant as both of you (and the majority of this forum) merely 5 years ago.

Actually I quoted that to show how despicable your beloved Bible can be.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Actually I quoted that to show how despicable your beloved Bible can be.

That's nothing!

Are you saying that there's... moar?!

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Actually I quoted that to show how despicable your beloved Bible can be.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20)

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. (Joshua 24:15)

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Are you saying that there's... moar?!