I won't post all of the conversations with devs, or all of the scans I've collected from books or all of the calcs right here while I'm still compiling everything, but here goes with asmuch as I can give.
Originally posted by Total Broadband
Or its just hyperbole, which is more likely.
Prove this.
Essense of Hyperion is the name of the move. Hyperion, the titan of
Light. It explicitly tells us that this dash move allows you to advance upon your enemy at the speed of light.
Hes not just tired hes wounded because Kratos launched a catapult shot at him, something else quite slow he did not dodge.
A wound that made him bleed a lot and made him pant. In essence, it made him tired. It wasn't something that hampered his motor ability. So no torn muscle or broken bones. Being tired is relative to your abilities. A tired Kratos is still class 100. A tired Hermes is still a high level speedster.
And he did not dodge it, but that's not the same as not being able to dodge. He simply stood there not moving, while it hit the statue he was standing on. Obviously he could react to it if Kratos himself could react to it by latching on to it. Similarly he also dodged a large boulder tossed at him by a titan in a scene from God of War 2. And if you fail the QTE, it shows that Hermes was not even paying attention. Anyway, at worst, its just a low feat, or Hermes was caught in a cocky idiot ball moment, which is then eclipsed by a massive high feat when Kratos faces a serious Hermes (albeit a tired one) that shows he could dodge a blast of light from even close quarters.
The room was about as big as my living room, considering theres a couple of gods brawling in it, he had hardly any room to manouver at all vs a guy who has chained blades which are how long? a good 10-20 feet?
This is absolutely false unless you live in a large mansion, with a living room bigger than my entire house.
Here, a screenshot of almost the entire room. Tiny 8'6" Kratos circled in red. That is a massive amount of space. The area the blades take up would probably be 1% or less.
The QTE involves you already catching up to hermes or him jumping right on top of you, again with him not going at any amazing speed,I don't know where you got FTL from.
The QTE involves Hermes using his speed to suddenly change direction and then do a flip and try to kick you. Which Kratos intercepts.
Your description makes absolutely no sense here anywhere. What does Kratos' distance relative to Hermes have to do with anything? Does Kratos have some temporal dampener ability that makes Hermes slower the closer Kratos gets? Does Hermes' leg muscles only move fast when Hermes' is running? Of course not. Hermes' speed is innate to him. He doesn't have to go through a series of mental limiter unchecks while he's gradually building up speed before he reaches his max. He just reaches his top speed as quickly (relative to him) as a sprinter does. Explosively.
Also don't try and reach for completely normal, "completely normal" is him easily outrunning Kratos, before he drops a slow ass catapult boulder on him, relatively slow ass to the speeds your claiming anyway.
Completely normal is him being able to outrun Kratos, yet never being too fast for Kratos to keep track of and being a blur while he moves. He was still showing every bit of that in the start of the fight. While catching his breath now again. Read what I posted above. Tired is relative.
And he never had a boulder dropped on him anyway. And regardless, he showed the speed to be able to dodge a burst of pure light when he was serious, while tired, and this was explicitly stated in a conversation I had with Steve Caterson (the producer) to be a deliberate showing of his speed advantage over the other enemies since he's the only one that can do it.
So yeah, something like Poseidon being able to fly halfway down the several thousand mile tall Mt Olympus in a few (apparent) seconds and doing the opposite by scaling back up the same distance in his Hippocampi form, Hermes is faster than that.
How do we know the Helios' Solar Flare is lightspeed? Well Occam's Razor first of all, it is referred to as light in the game, and then Hyperion's light is acknowledged as being 'light speed' (Hyperion is Helios' father by the way) so that sets a concrete precedence, and also sunlight in God of War has a natural speed feat just like ours does, when the sun rises in the morning it stretches across a vast amount of land quickly and is bright enough and far enough reaching to dim out the stars in the sky too.
So yeah, you can bleat about the catapault as much as you want, but Hermes' ability to dodge the Solar Flare is a concrete speed feat as per a dev statement, and since its a higher one and later one, (and is meant to be superior to any other speed feat in God of War 3, which includes Poseidon's massively hypersonic one), it trumps it and takes precedence.
Teleportation, Kratos' peak human speeds are completely outmatched by that alone.
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Teleportation. Really?
Like Zeus, who can teleport and create 7 extra dopplegangers of himself, or Castor and Pollux who can stop and slow down time along with teleporting were able to do to him? Castor and Pollux tried to teleport blitz Kratos from all angles in the last QTE of the fight, Kratos reacted easily, as if he knew every angle that Castor was coming from.
As for Peak human speed, what's the concensus on that? 60 mph or so right? Kratos made falling pillars that would be falling at around that speed look completely frozen in mid-air relative to him for a few brief moments. So debunked.
Are you talking about the little snippet of the fight where he does none of that stuff apart from stupidly luning right up into Kratos' face? Kratos was still slowed.
There's no particular part I'm talking about. Castor and Pollux could do all that and attempted to across the entire fight.
They also put Kratos in a time stop. Not just a time slow of unknown increment, a time stop. The dev who designed that entire boss fight confirmed that Kratos was able to resist a time stop because of his natural speed.
You are fairly stupid though, as you've shown throughout the years.
So somehow Castor coming forward in his face negates it as a reaction feat. Which I don't understand how it makes sense, as you can be that careless to someone who's supposed to be a statue to you speed wise (afterall, he did try to stop him in time). Unfortunately for Castor, Kratos was still fast enough to move even during a time stop.
Scaled from what exactly? This is not the old Zeus' lightning bolt speed rubbish is it, because its been debunked 100x, Zeus lightning is slow as hell in every case Kratos can canonically react to it, which is iirc few since most of them are in-game.
Outdated knowledge. Kratos already has 3 word of dev statements on being able to lightning time, one of them using his deflection of Zeus' bolts in game as reasoning. One of them acknowleding the CG lightning timing feat in the God of War 2 commercial as a valid feat, and the newest one (which I've not posted anywhere yet) of a dev saying Zeus' thunder bolt's speed from the novel can be assumed as valid due to Ares doing something similar with the pillar toss from Athens to Pandora's temple--subsequently I asked him if it meant that Kratos' reflexes are then appropriately fast for being able to deflect Zeus' bolts with the fleece and he answered in the affirmative by acknowledging his demi-god status as a reason for his fast reflexes.
Zeus' lightning speed was never debunked at any point. Flawed logic such as them being slow enough to see in the game when they are moving short distances (of ****ing course they do, the audience has to be able to see them in the first place.) was what was attempted to pass. That's a part of a speed fallacy as listed in the OBD wiki somewhere. Our perceptions don't matter. Speed is relative in fiction. That and the book was attempted to be discredited but it was always secondary canon, the author said he believed the book to be canon as he was not allowed to contradict anything without specific allowance, and he had aid from Marianne Krawczyk and Cory Barlog along the way, both of whom who are/were writers for the games too. Not to mention we now have a dev statement on that specific scene in the book as allowable for Zeus and another from another dev on the books being part of the canon as far as he knows.
As for the scaling, Mt. Olympus has a statement in one of the official guides that means it would come out to be several thousands of miles tall. (Also confirmed by a dev that it can be taken at face value). Also further backed up by Mount Olympus being so high up that Kratos can descend from it and fall vertically and still cross the entire length of the Aegean Sea (iirc its over 200 miles long) by landing in Rhodes. That means Zeus mach 4000 toss becomes several times higher (maybe 10x). Zeus also has murals in God of War 1 showing him tossing bolts from the top of Olympus down to cities and armies below. Zeus was fast enough to cross the entire Aegean Sea, up to a pillar of Mount Olympus (the summit of sacrifice is confirmed to have been at the top of Olympus by the end of Gow2) all in a few apparent second. Ares did similar when in a few apparent seconds he descended from Mt Olympus all the way down to some unknown Eastern Country where the barbarians lived.