Brutal VS Genis vell

Originally posted by carver9
Why not Thor? Also, you keep clinging to statements. What about the statement of Sentry stalemating GALACTUS? What about the statement of it taking someone in Galactus power to stop Hulk?

You keep clinging to this same lame fight. Hulk took out a full powered Rulk with a thunderclap. The same Rulk that killed Grandmaster, Dormammu, Surfer, etc, etc... Thor has fought against Celestial and even withstood attacks from an enraged Celestial. Blue Marvel taking on Anti Man and Sentry along with the Avengers doo doo on all of your fts along with killing Shuma.

Stop relying on statements and stop relying on those lame fts because everyone here have fts AND statements that is a lot better. You don't see me going around using this scan where it states Hulk is the most powerful creature on the planet and during the time this was said, beings like Zeus was roaming the planet.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot25_zps665ca27d.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3

Or this scan where it states every hero and villain alike fears Hulk power.

http://postimg.org/image/iykvts2kt/

I honestly don't think you believe what you are saying. I think you are saying all of this out of fun. Well, I am going to have a good time correcting you.

because judging by thors showings he cant curbstomp guys on that level just like that.

Galactus differs in many levels of power and incarnations depends if he ate or he is hungry. also it wasnt just a statement because its actually a fact that brutaal was enhanced by darkseid and he had the Omega beams so its not s bluur statement but a fact.

i keep mentioning that fight because its all brutaal had so far, but even with those showings which i can count on 1 hand, brutaal proved he is beyond a herald because no herald could just curbstomp those guys the way he did, the omega beams alone make him above herald level.

Thor fighting celestials is PIS. you wana bring me black panther almost ripping our surfers arm next? what a joke. all the characters you mentioned have plenty years of showings and they all got high end showings, low end showings and middle showings, taking into account everything we put them at herald level otherwise there are streets that could be skyfathers like Cap, batman black panther spiderman who beat firelord atc atc.

what dont you understand that i am relying on several feats because thats all he got? he got a number of feats which i can count on 1 hand and yet those feats portray him as someone who wrecks heralds, because even a herald couldnt one shot and curbstomp those guys the way he does its insane. superman himself wouldnt be able to punk his younger version like that , superman himself wouldnt be able to do such thing to Steppenwolf or fate thats just insane.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
because judging by thors showings he cant curbstomp guys on that level just like that.

Galactus differs in many levels of power and incarnations depends if he ate or he is hungry. also it wasnt just a statement because its actually a fact that brutaal was enhanced by darkseid and he had the Omega beams so its not s bluur statement but a fact.

i keep mentioning that fight because its all brutaal had so far, but even with those showings which i can count on 1 hand, brutaal proved he is beyond a herald because no herald could just curbstomp those guys the way he did, the omega beams alone make him above herald level.

Thor fighting celestials is PIS. you wana bring me black panther almost ripping our surfers arm next? what a joke. all the characters you mentioned have plenty years of showings and they all got high end showings, low end showings and middle showings, taking into account everything we put them at herald level otherwise there are streets that could be skyfathers like Cap, batman black panther spiderman who beat firelord atc atc.

what dont you understand that i am relying on several feats because thats all he got? he got a number of feats which i can count on 1 hand and yet those feats portray him as someone who wrecks heralds, because even a herald couldnt one shot and curbstomp those guys the way he does its insane. superman himself wouldnt be able to punk his younger version like that , superman himself wouldnt be able to do such thing to Steppenwolf or fate thats just insane.

You don't think a Herald (At least on a good day) is able to stomp T-Shirt/Jeans Superman (Like, Mid Meta level at best), beat up Fate in a physical confrontation (Who has no feats and mages are historically glass canons), and what, blast the arm off of a 40 foot tall human being (I don't even understand why this last one is impressive?)?

Is that some kind of joke? I can list way more impressive feats for Hulk, Thor, Surfer, and Superman just off of the top of my head. Which one do you want? Personally, I hope you pick Thor because you seem have such a hard on to lowball him.

It is shocking that you think Thor cannot match any of those feats or surpass them. Just by arguing this, you prove you know NOTHING about the Odinson outside of maybe the poor showings here and there you see posted on message boards mostly from Avengers/Team Books.

ODG has an excellent Thor respect thread on this very board. Spend 30 minutes browsing it so you at least have some passing knowledge of what the Odinson is capable off on a good day.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
because judging by thors showings he cant curbstomp guys on that level just like that.

Galactus differs in many levels of power and incarnations depends if he ate or he is hungry. also it wasnt just a statement because its actually a fact that brutaal was enhanced by darkseid and he had the Omega beams so its not s bluur statement but a fact.

i keep mentioning that fight because its all brutaal had so far, but even with those showings which i can count on 1 hand, brutaal proved he is beyond a herald because no herald could just curbstomp those guys the way he did, the omega beams alone make him above herald level.

Thor fighting celestials is PIS. you wana bring me black panther almost ripping our surfers arm next? what a joke. all the characters you mentioned have plenty years of showings and they all got high end showings, low end showings and middle showings, taking into account everything we put them at herald level otherwise there are streets that could be skyfathers like Cap, batman black panther spiderman who beat firelord atc atc.

what dont you understand that i am relying on several feats because thats all he got? he got a number of feats which i can count on 1 hand and yet those feats portray him as someone who wrecks heralds, because even a herald couldnt one shot and curbstomp those guys the way he does its insane. superman himself wouldnt be able to punk his younger version like that , superman himself wouldnt be able to do such thing to Steppenwolf or fate thats just insane.

Originally posted by Mindset
I want to fight you irl. 😬

Get in line.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You don't think a Herald (At least on a good day) is able to stomp T-Shirt/Jeans Superman (Like, Mid Meta level at best), beat up Fate in a physical confrontation (Who has no feats and mages are historically glass canons), and what, blast the arm off of a 40 foot tall human being (I don't even understand why this last one is impressive?)?

Is that some kind of joke? I can list way more impressive feats for Hulk, Thor, Surfer, and Superman just off of the top of my head. Which one do you want? Personally, I hope you pick Thor because you seem have such a hard on to lowball him.

It literally boggles my mind that you think Thor cannot match any of those feats or surpass them. Just by arguing this, you prove you know NOTHING about the Odinson outside of maybe the poor showings here and there you see posted on message boards mostly from Avengers/Team Books.

you should get off your chair, walk up to a wall and bash your head into it for calling younger superman a mid meta, that alone proves your IQ.

go read comics and see dr fate fights, then come back and tell me if stomping him is easy.

again go read comics and see how Atom fought JLA members, then come back and tell me if one shotting him isnt impressive.

and slicing in half the guy who killed wonder woman.

now lets talk about thor getting beat up by mid metas and taskmaster how about that? or tutinax pushing his shit in perhaps? or kid nova humiliating him which is just sad.

Thor is the lamest "high herald" out there that gets beat up by the weekly villian every single time.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
you should get off your chair, walk up to a wall and bash your head into it for calling younger superman a mid meta, that alone proves your IQ.

Am I missing some feats? If so I apologize and could you point me in their direction? As far as I know, his best strength feat was stopping a locomotive and jumping into orbit.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
go read comics and see dr fate fights, then come back and tell me if stomping him is easy.

Scans or issue number for these Earth-2 Doctor Fate fights? I'd particularly prefer some durability/strength feats as Superman basically stomped him in physical combat.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
again go read comics and see how Atom fought JLA members, then come back and tell me if one shotting him isnt impressive.

When did the Atom fight the JLA? Issue number? I missed this comic.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
and slicing in half the guy who killed wonder woman.

Yes, he stabbed her through the chest from behind. Is this suppose to impress me or something? Is this Wonder Woman particularly durable against piercing weapons as seen in some unheard of comic?

Otherwise I'm not sure what this is suppose to mean. At best Steppenwolf has a sharp sword and some sort of superhuman strength.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
now lets talk about thor getting beat up by mid metas and taskmaster how about that? or tutinax pushing his shit in perhaps? or kid nova humiliating him which is just sad.

Thor is the lamest "high herald" out there that gets beat up by the weekly villian every single time.

*Yawn*

Please come up with something original instead of just copying and pasting pretty much the same argument everyone who dislikes Thor uses.

You just spent the last few posts devoted to excusing any high end showing (Which is hilarious because Thor arguably the best showings in his entire tier outside of Hulk/Superman) you don't like and immediately go to the opposite end of the spectrum. It's boring, it's predictable, and it's been done many times. At least be original.

Although I'd like to know when Kid Nova humiliated him? Also, the Taskmaster shit is just inaccurate. It was outright said that he was literally crazy if he thought Thor even felt his love taps. Which says a lot about your mental state that you are now referencing it. 😬

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
because judging by thors showings he cant curbstomp guys on that level just like that.

Galactus differs in many levels of power and incarnations depends if he ate or he is hungry. also it wasnt just a statement because its actually a fact that brutaal was enhanced by darkseid and he had the Omega beams so its not s bluur statement but a fact.

i keep mentioning that fight because its all brutaal had so far, but even with those showings which i can count on 1 hand, brutaal proved he is beyond a herald because no herald could just curbstomp those guys the way he did, the omega beams alone make him above herald level.

Thor fighting celestials is PIS. you wana bring me black panther almost ripping our surfers arm next? what a joke. all the characters you mentioned have plenty years of showings and they all got high end showings, low end showings and middle showings, taking into account everything we put them at herald level otherwise there are streets that could be skyfathers like Cap, batman black panther spiderman who beat firelord atc atc.

what dont you understand that i am relying on several feats because thats all he got? he got a number of feats which i can count on 1 hand and yet those feats portray him as someone who wrecks heralds, because even a herald couldnt one shot and curbstomp those guys the way he does its insane. superman himself wouldnt be able to punk his younger version like that , superman himself wouldnt be able to do such thing to Steppenwolf or fate thats just insane.

So Thor cant curbstomp a Fate that doesn't have any fts?

So Thor cant curbstomp a young Superman that got koed from a train impact?

LOL...they didn't say a 'weak Galactus', the said Galactus and it was referenced on many of occasions. Let me add fuel to the fire. Reed Richards has measured power levels from beings like Thanos, to Galactus, to Celestials, he was even able to tell how powerful the Beyonder was. Crazy thing is, he couldn't measure Hulks power.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Hulk/hulkpoweroffcharts.jpg.html

I love statements. Lets continue with this, shall we. Shield has measured and have files on some of the most powerful beings in the universe. They literally have files on EVERYONE. Guess what, Shield literally states they never saw a powerlevel like Hulks.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Hulk/wwhstrongest1.jpg.html

You know I can go on with this all day, right?

I know you keep mentioning those, LAME, fights but it isn't enough. Sentry is a high Herald+ and blue Marvel koed him with a single hit. This ft is better than ANY ft you've mentioned. He punch him so hard that it knocked him out of orbit.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1526821/bm1.jpg.html

Here Adam is taking on the Avengers line up solo. A ft that is better than anything you've mentioned. He's actually stalemating beings that have fts.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3200/albm05005.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5254/albm05006.jpg
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1526822/bm2.jpg.html
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1188/albm05011.jpg

Lets add this, King Hyperion has done similar things like Bruttal did to a high degree. He has killed every hero on Earth...hell, he's completed this 3 times. He even killed the Sentry of his Earth along with Galactus of his Universe (ftless characters that is above the young Superman and Stepenwolf) but Adam takes him out with a couple of well placed blows.

Adam doesn't have a single low showing since his creation. Hulk haven't had a low showing in the past 10+ yrs. Thor has the fts that proves he could wreck Bruttal. Surfer would destroy him. Sentry would destroy him. Everyone I named could replicate his fts if they were in a universe filled with no ft characters. When he establish better fts, then you can holla at me but until then there area characters out there with better statements (hahahahahah) and characters out there that has ripped through other characters with fts.

King Hyperion also took on and was stomping 2 other Hyperions at the same time. One of which had at least a few feats to his name.

Earth 2 Dr. Fate fought Wotan and called upon gods powers through spells, IIRC.

Originally posted by carver9
So Thor cant curbstomp a Fate that doesn't have any fts?

So Thor cant curbstomp a young Superman that got koed from a train impact?

LOL...they didn't say a 'weak Galactus', the said Galactus and it was referenced on many of occasions. Let me add fuel to the fire. Reed Richards has measured power levels from beings like Thanos, to Galactus, to Celestials, he was even able to tell how powerful the Beyonder was. Crazy thing is, he couldn't measure Hulks power.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Hulk/hulkpoweroffcharts.jpg.html

I love statements. Lets continue with this, shall we. Shield has measured and have files on some of the most powerful beings in the universe. They literally have files on EVERYONE. Guess what, Shield literally states they never saw a powerlevel like Hulks.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Hulk/wwhstrongest1.jpg.html

You know I can go on with this all day, right?

I know you keep mentioning those, LAME, fights but it isn't enough. Sentry is a high Herald+ and blue Marvel koed him with a single hit. This ft is better than ANY ft you've mentioned. He punch him so hard that it knocked him out of orbit.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1526821/bm1.jpg.html

Here Adam is taking on the Avengers line up solo. A ft that is better than anything you've mentioned. He's actually stalemating beings that have fts.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3200/albm05005.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5254/albm05006.jpg
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1526822/bm2.jpg.html
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1188/albm05011.jpg

Lets add this, King Hyperion has done similar things like Bruttal did to a high degree. He has killed every hero on Earth...hell, he's completed this 3 times. He even killed the Sentry of his Earth along with Galactus of his Universe (ftless characters that is above the young Superman and Stepenwolf) but Adam takes him out with a couple of well placed blows.

Adam doesn't have a single low showing since his creation. Hulk haven't had a low showing in the past 10+ yrs. Thor has the fts that proves he could wreck Bruttal. Surfer would destroy him. Sentry would destroy him. Everyone I named could replicate his fts if they were in a universe filled with no ft characters. When he establish better fts, then you can holla at me but until then there area characters out there with better statements (hahahahahah) and characters out there that has ripped through other characters with fts.

No thor cant and would never curbstomp fate the way he did.

young superman was not knocked out from the bullet train he was exhausted but there is a context to even that he wasnt at full power while doing it in the first place he was already exhausted. you wana go the lowballing road? how about thor strugling with lifting a rock his own size and going grrr when lifting it? it was during the time he was enslaved. dont be a hypocrite there are low showing to everyone, but facts are thats a younger superman and stomping even a young superman like that means a lot.

i see you got reading comprehension issues over there, the thing is i already explained the difference between your hyperbole balony and the things with brutaal. brutaal is not only said but also did get enhanced by darkseid and as we sall he got the omega beams, which means that wasnt just a statement but a fact that he is a darkseid +.

i never said the opponents brutaal curbstomped are something out of the league typical heralds face, however my point was how easy he curbstomped them. Fate, Atom and stepenwolf all well known characters that always gave good fights to heralds , seeing how easily they got stomped can only tell us how far brutaal is beyond the herald category.

and of course most importantly there hasnt been anyone to this point that gave brutaal even the slightest challenge, so how the hell can you say you think someone beats him if we didnt see a single limit from him? as of right now nobody was able to stand up to him and no limit line has been drawn, so how can you tell me that you think he has some limit which prevent from him to defeat the talked characters? that just wrong.

as i said earlier his curbstomping feats put him above herald level, no herald could dispatch younger superman that easily like a fly.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Am I missing some feats? If so I apologize and could you point me in their direction? As far as I know, his best strength feat was stopping a locomotive and jumping into orbit.

Scans or issue number for these Earth-2 Doctor Fate fights? I'd particularly prefer some durability/strength feats as Superman basically stomped him in physical combat.

When did the Atom fight the JLA? Issue number? I missed this comic.

Yes, he stabbed her through the chest from behind. Is this suppose to impress me or something? Is this Wonder Woman particularly durable against piercing weapons as seen in some unheard of comic?

Otherwise I'm not sure what this is suppose to mean. At best Steppenwolf has a sharp sword and some sort of superhuman strength.

*Yawn*

Please come up with something original instead of just copying and pasting pretty much the same argument everyone who dislikes Thor uses.

You just spent the last few posts devoted to excusing any high end showing (Which is hilarious because Thor arguably the best showings in his entire tier outside of Hulk/Superman) you don't like and immediately go to the opposite end of the spectrum. It's boring, it's predictable, and it's been done many times. At least be original.

Although I'd like to know when Kid Nova humiliated him? Also, the Taskmaster shit is just inaccurate. It was outright said that he was literally crazy if he thought Thor even felt his love taps. Which says a lot about your mental state that you are now referencing it. 😬

he stopped a speeding bullet train while weaken. and thats the younger version of superman so its a no brainer as to where he stands in power. the fact brutaal raped him like that tells a lot.

as for feats for this universe dr fate atom and all of them? as we see the superman of that universe operated with same abilities mainstream sups did, darkseid is the same, basically there is no reason to asume those characters are different then their mainstream counterparts unless proven otherwise.

Steppenwolf killed wonder women and he got one shotted in 2 by brutaal. aside of that Steppenwolf always caused trouble to superman so its not like we dont know where he stands.

whats the matter you dont like me bringing other thor feats which dont go well with your wankage? i am sorry but those are just too funny the way the U FOES Humiliated him , tutinax, kid nova, every new week villian, the phoenix five each by the turn.

kid nova who is just a kid Lol was matching thor and even outpowered him 😆

we see clearly on panel taskmaster making thor bleed with a shield bash. iron patrion was getting down on taskmaster for motivation purpose, however what we saw is what we saw , and what we saw is thor getting bloody from taskmaster.

For phucks sake dude, kid Nova hasn't even fought Thor that was Beta Ray Bill.

Please shut your face, and read a comic. Please, just one.

We know that E2 superman survived his first encounter with darkseid because of this:

Later he was said to be darkseid's peer, who is a legit planet buster.
This is at least high herald level for E2 superman BEFORE the amp.

Of course this changes nothing yet, gennis still wins.

Originally posted by JuggernautMania
No thor cant and would never curbstomp fate the way he did.
young superman was not knocked out from the bullet train he was exhausted but there is a context to even that he wasnt at full power while doing it in the first place he was already exhausted. you wana go the lowballing road? how about thor strugling with lifting a rock his own size and going grrr when lifting it? it was during the time he was enslaved. dont be a hypocrite there are low showing to everyone, but facts are thats a younger superman and stomping even a young superman like that means a lot.

as i said earlier his curbstomping feats put him above herald level, no herald could dispatch younger superman that easily like a fly.

I'm going to respond to your weird posts Juggernaut but I need to know one thing.

Who would win in a fight between young Superman vs Sentry?

Who would win in a fight between full powered Red Hulk vs Young Superman?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This is pretty much what young Clark would be able to muster against a true high herald.

Sad thing is, Kallark son has displayed more strength, durability, and speed fts than young Clark.

Originally posted by carver9
Sad thing is, Kallark son has displayed more strength, durability, and speed fts than young Clark.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
We know that E2 superman survived his first encounter with darkseid because of this:

Later he was said to be darkseid's peer, who is a legit planet buster.
This is at least high herald level for E2 superman BEFORE the amp.

Of course this changes nothing yet, gennis still wins.

His first encounter, was any other hero's there aiding him? If yes please provide a scan proving this.

Originally posted by carver9
Sad thing is, Kallark son has displayed more strength, durability, and speed fts than young Clark.