Originally posted by Golgo13
It will be tough, but I wonder if Supes can use his cold breath/HV to take him down. I just don't see Sentry doing anything to a full on OWAW Superman.
Anyone capable of toying with Thor on a physical level (ie holding him helpless) Should be able to wear even this version of Superman down. heat vision, and frost breath would in my mind do nothing to someone who did not require his major organs to exist. I think it would be like fighting a ghost. you can't hit it, but it can and will hit you. I don't believe that Superman has the tools to deal with this type of character. However someone like Legion probably would.
Originally posted by Stoic
You guys keep saying that, but aren't saying how he wins. Until someone comes up with a suitable way that Superman can hurt someone that seems immune to physical harm, he has no business winning.
1. Speed - All of Superman's abilities are augmented here, at this level Clark should have the speed advantage.
2. Canon - If Sentry gets hit with OWAW level Heat Vision it should at least have the same effect that Thor's lightning had on him. Any magic factor notwithstanding of course.
3. Strength - Given the speed at which he can attack Warworld moving strength x enhanced combat speed should be enough to hurt Sentry.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman wins this.
Carver what was your previous response?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. [B]Speed - All of Superman's abilities are augmented here, at this level Clark should have the speed advantage.2. Canon - If Sentry gets hit with OWAW level Heat Vision it should at least have the same effect that Thor's lightning had on him. Any magic factor notwithstanding of course.
3. Strength - Given the speed at which he can attack Warworld moving strength x enhanced combat speed should be enough to hurt Sentry. [/B]
This is not Siege Sentry. not sure if anyone noticed that or not.
Originally posted by Galan007
You realize that your only rebuttal on behalf of Dentry is a no-limits fallacy, right?"Thor couldn't put Dentry down, therefore he is immune to ALL harm!" Sorry, but no.
No what i should have said from the beginning is that until the writers take their head's out of their assh@les any type of debate that has Sentry in it can not be proven due to no one truly knowing the limitations of his power/s. For all we know at this very moment is that he could be a corrupted Cosmic Cube. All we can say for sure is that physical attacks have no lasting effect on him, and that he reforms a hell of a lot faster than he did in the past. This includes Siege Sentry. How many years did it take him to show back up after Thor smoked him?
This thread is premature.
Originally posted by Galan007
You realize that your only rebuttal on behalf of Dentry is a no-limits fallacy, right?"Thor couldn't put Dentry down, therefore he is immune to ALL harm!" Sorry, but no.
Pretty much. Death Sentry still has some story left, so he has time to impress me. I just don't see Superman losing this one.
Originally posted by StoicI agree that we do not know Dentry's upper limits(I can only assume a space-worm summoned by Wasp isn't his upper limit.) Based on what we know right now, however, Dentry's done absolutely nothing that makes me think he can beat this version of Supes.
No what i should have said from the beginning is that until the writers take their head's out of their assh@les any type of debate that has Sentry in it can not be proven due to no one truly knowing the limitations of his power/s. For all we know at this very moment is that he could be a corrupted Cosmic Cube. All we can say for sure is that physical attacks have no lasting effect on him, and that he reforms a hell of a lot faster than he did in the past. This includes Siege Sentry. How many years did it take him to show back up after Thor smoked him?This thread is premature.
I believe a HV barrage similar to this:
http://i.imgur.com/5UiN3L7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lsxFiS5.jpg
(Except a LOT more powerful... Cuz sun-amp.)
Or heat attackS similar to these:
1.) http://i.imgur.com/28FaEB6.jpg
2.) http://i.imgur.com/rkaauIW.jpg
...Would cause enough damage to at least constitute a forum win. Sentry/Void have always been vulnerable to extreme heat, after all--so until I have a legitimate reason to think otherwise, I'll treat Dentry no differently in that regard.
In terms of physicality, Dentry being stronger than Thor doesn't make me think he can contend with this version of Supes--not even remotely. This is a properly sun-amped AND bloodlusted Superman, for crying out loud.
Yes the worm was easily a plot device and I was actually pleased with how it was done because no one hero or group took sentry out yet which still makes him look strong. But as I feared, it seems that along with sentrys resurrection his CIS was resurrected as well lol. Instead of sentry staring straight at the giant worm and going.... "oh" he could have easily utilized his superhuman reflexes and speed to negate being cosumed by it lol. But I'm not complaining too much he had to be written off somehow.
Originally posted by Galan007
I agree that we do not know Dentry's upper limits(I can only assume a space-worm summoned by Wasp isn't his upper limit.) Based on what we know right now, however, Dentry's done absolutely nothing that makes me think he can beat this version of Supes.I believe a HV barrage similar to this:
http://i.imgur.com/5UiN3L7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lsxFiS5.jpg
(Except a LOT more powerful... Cuz sun-amp.)Or heat attackS similar to these:
1.) http://i.imgur.com/28FaEB6.jpg
2.) http://i.imgur.com/rkaauIW.jpg...Would cause enough damage to at least constitute a forum win. Sentry/Void have always been vulnerable to extreme heat, after all--so until I have a legitimate reason to think otherwise, I'll treat Dentry no differently in that regard.
In terms of physicality, Dentry being stronger than Thor doesn't make me think he can contend with this version of Supes--not even remotely. This is a properly sun-amped AND bloodlusted Superman, for crying out loud.
Throwing Thor the distance that he did, and even nearly killing him with the toss indicated a lot of power to me. However like I said, i believe that this topic is premature, because as you yourself stated, we do not know his upper limits. This is not me claiming a no limits fallacy, but me saying that no one can gauge the winner fairly. People can only choose who they like to win, and that is all. treating Thor like he was a 90 pound weakling is and was quite impressive. Not saying Sum amped Superman could not do the same, just saying that I was impressed. I also have no reason to go against Superman on this one if you need to know. i just don't know who would win, and neither do you or anyone else based on the little bit of information that we have on this version of the Sentry.
I would also be very surprised if extreme heat or cold is his weakness after seeing him split his own head open without him feeling it. Physical trauma after all is physical trauma. If you have proof to support Superman being able to hurt this version then bring it. I don't think you will find any, because this is not the same old Sentry that we saw years ago.
