(300 The movie) 300 Spartans Vs 20 thousand Walkers (Zombies from walking Dead)
Leonidas must lead 300 Spartans to battle 20 thousand Zombies after Spartans defeat many Xerxes army.
Xerxes sent his final army. The undead army. Walkers from walking dead
Leonidas and army of Spartans have their spears and shied ready for battle.
The fight take place where spartans fought with Xerxes army.
Spartan Vs Zombies??
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They take a few casualties along the way, but with the way they fight, they'll slaughter the zombies. They're far too slow to present a challenge as anything other than numbers.
And the Spartans would have decimated Xerxes army at the Hot Gates if Ephialtes hadn't betrayed them. So that location is amazing for them. They'll basically drop so many bodies that the walkers have trouble getting past them, and then they can just kill them at their leisure.
A few things to factor in here.
300 on 20,000, each Spartan would have to kill an average of 67 walkers, without getting bit.
I think Walkers may be a bigger threat than most of Xeres army. They don't have the intelligence of humans but they don't tire and more importantly they don't have any fear of mortality, they aren't afraid to die.
I don't think in this scenario that the Spartans can win, they can take down a big chunk of them but as soon as a Spartan gets bit he's going to keel over fast. Then turn unless the other Spartans bash his brains in.
How many opponents have they faced where the foes where shown to become exhausted or scared if of battle?
Compared to the few thousands the faced, the difference is Numbers Vs Skill, speed, weapons, teamwork, overall combat experience. Measured like they the armies they faced should fair well against the Walkers.
Xerxes army were more afraid of displeasing the God King than facing the seemingly immortal Spartans. Nowhere in either of the movies did they do anything but attack with everything they had.
And the Spartans had to deal with being attacked by multiple highly skilled warriors at once wielding weapons on top of arrow assaults and things of that nature. Plus all the fighters were pretty fast in comparison to Walkers.
On the Walker side, they have numbers yes. But they are slow to the point of ridiculousness. Leonidas will probably be cutting down at least half a dozen per second. Have nothing but hands and teeth as weapons, and have no coordination or teamwork. Decapitations and dismemberment is the tale of the tape here. The Spartans can just whack them with their shields, impale several at a time with spears, and take off body parts and move on, then come back and finish the ground bound zombies whenever they want.
Originally posted by KingD19So you didn't watch the movie or read the graphic novel? If you did you would of seen one of the earlier fights when the Spartans literally forced Xerces army off the cliff. They were CLEARLY afraid of the Spartans, more than they were of Xerces.
Xerxes army were more afraid of displeasing the God King than facing the seemingly immortal Spartans. Nowhere in either of the movies did they do anything but attack with everything they had.And the Spartans had to deal with being attacked by multiple highly skilled warriors at once wielding weapons on top of arrow assaults and things of that nature. Plus all the fighters were pretty fast in comparison to Walkers.
On the Walker side, they have numbers yes. But they are slow to the point of ridiculousness. Leonidas will probably be cutting down at least half a dozen per second. Have nothing but hands and teeth as weapons, and have no coordination or teamwork. Decapitations and dismemberment is the tale of the tape here. The Spartans can just whack them with their shields, impale several at a time with spears, and take off body parts and move on, then come back and finish the ground bound zombies whenever they want.
The only skilled warriors that the Spartans dealt with were the Immortals, the rest of Xerces army were mostly slaves who had little to no military expertise and tried to overwhelm the Spartans with sheer number.
The Walkers aren't that slow, they're slower than normal people because they shamble but they make up for it by never getting winded.
Leonaides won't be cutting down half a dozen per second, quit making sh*t up.
More importantly he won't be cutting down many because if this is the area that they fought at in the film and graphic novel, it's an enclosed space.
There 2 possible outcomes
1st Outcome, Spartans use the Phalanx, meaning only the front row of Spartans will be able to attack. They won't be able to kill enough walkers before they inevitable get bit.
Also Spartans would have to land a clean headshit, if they impale them in the stomach or anywhere else the walker can still be a potential threat.
2nd they don't use the Phalanx, and they fight in the open, they'' kill more walkers but they're be out in the open and will be more vunerable to attack.
All a Walker has to do is scratch or bite a Spartan and it's done. Each Spartan would have to fight an average of 65 Walkers.
Either they don't have enough offense or enough defense, either way the Spartans end up dying horribly.
Being forced back doesn't = fear or retreat. The remaining soldiers were pushed back because the Spartan's had more force behind them and had shields. Also none of the soldiers left had weapons.
And the soldiers they fought had been soldiers since at least Darrius was king. I don't know what you know about warfare, but even slaves are given training.
Nobody lasted long enough against the Spartan's to get tired, but we do know that highly trained men(immortals included) were getting slaughtered by the Spartans. And they were a lot faster, smarter, more coordinated, etc... than the Walkers.
Walkers are also very slow. And many of them would already be even slower than normal due to prior damage of just being a walker.
Watch the movie and see just how fast the Spartans are. They'll each be downing a few walkers every few seconds. Especially with that "time slow" fighting perception.
They can fight just fine. And they don't need headshots every single time. They can chop off a leg, make them fall and slow them down even more, etc...
And you only get turned after you die, and that's not until a few hours after usually. So a scratch would do nothing but piss a Spartan off. And I highly doubt they'd be ale to get a bite in.
Originally posted by BloodRainFixed to make this less disingenuous.
Compared to the few thousands the faced, the difference is Numbers, limitless stamina, greater durability, fearlessness Vs Skill, speed, weapons, teamwork, overall combat experience.
The Spartans might win. But they had better keep rank, and maintain the phalanx, otherwise it would be all too easy for them to be picked off one by one.
The durability of the Walkers is the biggest issue. Only a hit that would destroy the brain kills them. The Spartans killed many men in 300, aye, but many were with torso or neck wounds. Stab a walker in the stomach or neck with your spear, he's just going to power through the spear, implaling himself further, to get to you. Now a spartan has lost the use of his spear and has a Walker throwing all his weight and strength against the shield wall. Now, the spartan might try to retrieve his xiphos and stab the Walker in the head through the shield wall, but this presents its own problems. The blade of a xiphos is relatively short, at 50-60 centimeters (Compare the arming sword of a medieval knight as a frame of reference, which has a blade length of 75 cm generally). He would have to expose quite a bit of his armourless arm to make a clean cut or thrust to the brain, leaving it open for a bite. And even if he can kill this particular Walker without being bitten, in the time it took to kill it five have taken its place, and are now bashing the **** out of the shield wall, too close for your spear to matter (Which you might have lost when you killed the Walker it was impaled on in the first place). Now, imagine this scenario, only multiplied 300, for every Spartan on the field.
This is a fight I'm not sure the spartans can win.
Originally posted by KingD19lolwut? If they were forced back to a cliff they would of died no matter what. Why not go out fighting and at least try to attack the Spartans and thin their numbers?
Being forced back doesn't = fear or retreat. The remaining soldiers were pushed back because the Spartan's had more force behind them and had shields. Also none of the soldiers left had weapons.And the soldiers they fought had been soldiers since at least Darrius was king. I don't know what you know about warfare, but even slaves are given training.
Nobody lasted long enough against the Spartan's to get tired, but we do know that highly trained men(immortals included) were getting slaughtered by the Spartans. And they were a lot faster, smarter, more coordinated, etc... than the Walkers.
Walkers are also very slow. And many of them would already be even slower than normal due to prior damage of just being a walker.
Watch the movie and see just how fast the Spartans are. They'll each be downing a few walkers every few seconds. Especially with that "time slow" fighting perception.
They can fight just fine. And they don't need headshots every single time. They can chop off a leg, make them fall and slow them down even more, etc...
And you only get turned after you die, and that's not until a few hours after usually. So a scratch would do nothing but piss a Spartan off. And I highly doubt they'd be ale to get a bite in.
No, they were terrified, they under estimated the Spartans and they were so petrified that they would of rather jump off a cliff than fight them in combat.
Leonaidas SPECIFICALLY stated that most of Xerces warriors are pussies, I don't have to know anything about warfare because this was in the novel and in the film.
Immortals were fighting the Spartans on their own home turf, that's the only reason the Spartans lasted as long as they did, and even then they managed to kill several Spartans.
Walkers aren't as slow as you're making them out to be either.
I've seen the movie and read the novel and at no point in either did any Spartan kill several enemies in the span of one second.
You stated specifically that Leonaidas could kill 6 Walkers per second, you're making things up. At no point did anyone in the entire series fight with that level of speed.
They can chop off a leg? Then what? The Walkers will still coming at them even if they have to crawl.
They need head shots to stop the walkers permanently, which they won't be able to while simultaneously fighting thousands of other walkers in a crowded area.
People have died from Walker bites and scratches within a few minutes. You said a scratch would just piss them off? Again you're making things up, a single scratch and a Spartan would be dead within a few minutes, they might not turn right away but the fever would off them.
Spartans are going to die horribly.
Originally posted by TrevorPhillipsI recall Rick going nuts in the wake of Lori's death, and soloing a few dozen Walkers in the close quarters of the Prison...with a small handheld weapon...without any sort of formal shield...and without sustaining so much as a scratch. If Rick can slay that many Walkers in one sitting, it's not out of the question for each of the Spartans to slay 67 of them, imo(they are among the most elite h2h warriors in the planet's history AND have much better offensive/defensive weaponry, after all.)
300 on 20,000, each Spartan would have to kill an average of 67 walkers, without getting bit.
However, there are a few rather important variables to consider:
1.) Do the Spartans know how to perma-kill Walkers? If not, they'll sustain heavy losses initially, thinking Walkers can be incapacitated as easily as a normal human.
2.) Is this a single wave of 20k Walkers all swarming the 300 simultaneously, or are the Walkers broken up into several smaller waves, which attack the Spartans over the course of a few days(similarly to how the Persians attacked)..? If it's the former, the Spartans' phalanx would be swiftly overwhelmed by sheer weight of numbers alone, imo--and once the phalanx crumbles, it's all over.
Originally posted by Galan007
I recall Rick going nuts in the wake of Lori's death, and soloing a few dozen Walkers in the close quarters of the Prison...with a small handheld weapon...without any sort of formal shield...and without sustaining so much as a scratch. If Rick can slay that many Walkers in one sitting, it's not out of the question for each of the Spartans to slay 67 of them, imo(they are among the most elite h2h warriors in the planet's history AND have much better offensive/defensive weaponry, after all.)
Don't forget Tyrese on two occassions took down dozens of walkers alone with just a tire iron as well. The first time he was literally surrounded by them and just spun in a circle headbashing them while under emotional stress.
Originally posted by Galan007I can agree with this
I recall Rick going nuts in the wake of Lori's death, and soloing a few dozen Walkers in the close quarters of the Prison...with a small handheld weapon...without any sort of formal shield...and without sustaining so much as a scratch. If Rick can slay that many Walkers in one sitting, it's not out of the question for each of the Spartans to slay 67 of them, imo(they are among the most elite h2h warriors in the planet's history AND have much better offensive/defensive weaponry, after all.)However, there are a few rather important variables to consider:
1.) Do the Spartans know how to perma-kill Walkers? If not, they'll sustain heavy losses initially, thinking Walkers can be incapacitated as easily as a normal human.2.) Is this a single wave of 20k Walkers all swarming the 300 simultaneously, or are the Walkers broken up into several smaller waves, which attack the Spartans over the course of a few days(similarly to how the Persians attacked)..? If it's the former, the Spartans' phalanx would be swiftly overwhelmed by sheer weight of numbers alone, imo--and once the phalanx crumbles, it's all over.