Ganondorf vs pre reboot Magneto

I've seen this same shit more times than I care to count. Some overzealous anti-boy that likely thinks composite Mario is Street-level wastes their energy to produce a wall of text that starts with, and can be summed up to, "Nintendo's powerful, and I hate their fans for recognizing it! 🙁" It's increasingly hilarious to see how ironically few words it takes to shut down whatever argument they have. (Kinda like you just did.)

To add to your question, two drinks says he thinks chickens can actually kill Link. haermm

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
I read some. The sword IS divinely blessed if you played Skyward Sword you see how. I never said Silver and Light Arrows can't kill him (although they never have, they've defeated him).

Same with A Link to the Past.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
You shouldn't. You'll start feeling your brain cells do kamikazes, if you do.

****ing necro, by the same guy who necroed the Seph vs Ganon thread on the OBD no less

Anyways, Magneto drops the moon on Ganondorf and punches Majora in the face with the EM field of an entire solar sytem. Prime Magneto anyhow

From what I heard Magneto is currently downgraded and can be beaten by a few Sentinels, so he could lose here

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Silver Arrows killed him in the first Zelda.

Same with A Link to the Past.

That may be, but that was also well before they had refined, defined, or established concepts. Hell, the Hylian Shield, for example, used to be a marketable good. Now, it's a divine artifact.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
That may be, but that was also well before they had refined, defined, or established concepts. Hell, the Hylian Shield, for example, used to be a marketable good. Now, it's a divine artifact.

In all games Hylian shields are unbreakable. Legendary became standard, eventually.

Silver arrows killed him.

Edit: didnt see there was another page. Damned phone.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It's a legendary item in a setting where other shields break easily. The game it's legendary in also happens to be chronologically the first Zelda.

In all games Hylian shields are unbreakable. Legendary became standard, eventually.

That's kinda what I'm saying. They (the developers) now have a better idea of how they wish for everything to be.

I'm bored. Let's have some fun.

Comic source = non canon to what is originally a game, sorry. And the sages sword never did anything beyond what any normal sword does. Those mostly featless "demigods" were never addressed as anything other than spirits or guardians, and never did anything to give a gauge on how powerful they should be as arrows.

Sorry, that isn't actually a rule that everyone follows. If anything Hyrule Historia should take precedence as most of it is direct statements from the creators. Further, the Sage's Sword has shown itself capable of dealing a glowing wound that is unable to be healed, which is far from normal.

The Light Spirits are not featless. Upon having their power returned, they are fully capable of separating the Twilight dimension from Hyrule, and wipe out every Shadow Beast and twili creature in the area they control. Beyond that, Lanayru nearly killed Midna with its mere presence, requiring intervention from the Triforce of Wisdom to heal. Ganondorf tanks that multiplied by four.

Originally posted by VyseofArcadia
[B]The only reason the master sword is said to be the only thing able to kill Ganon is because in the ZELDA series it is the strongest thing to use against him. Magneto is considerably more powerful than anyone from Zelda, and unlike the Zelda characters and items, Magneto actually has the feats to show how powerful he is without fans having to highly exaggerate and misinterpret his feats like too many Nintendo fanatics do with their favorite characters.

The master sword's most impressive feats are deflecting the dead mans volley attack (which, as it's name implies, is already deflectable by default and can be done so with ordinary weapons and even a bottle) which has never been shown to even be powerful enough to break stone, shooting blades of air which have only been shown to be strong enough to cut through giant tentacles, and shifting time ONLY when inserted into it's pedestal or pulled back out.The master sword itself has never been shown to have any time manipulating abilities.

Zelda characters have plenty of feats if you're willing to look. For instance, the Master Sword cuts through the metal of Darknut armor routinely, including the chainmail they wear underneath. Plus, there is a bit in Wind Waker where the Master Sword cuts a castle sized barrier to pieces. (As for stone, Ganon knocking it out of Link's hand was sufficient to embed it in the remains of Hyrule Castle.) Now, the dead man's volley is a common thing that many swords have done, though I don't recall any nonmagical weapons doing it. Don't underestimate the bottles, either. And before I forget, the Skyward Strike isn't a blade of air. It's outright stated to be divine power.

Even in the Zelda series it is also said to be possible to kill Ganon with silver and light arrows, and players have used ordinary weapons to weaken and kill him before, both as Ganon and Ganondorf. Even using the argument that the master sword has a specific property that makes it able to kill Ganon (like being divinely blessed or something like that), it's pure logic that a character or item with greater power and feats than the master sword renders that argument a moot point.

Minor correction: The Silver Arrows have been stated to be able to kill Ganon. The Light Arrows have not. While ordinary weapons CAN harm Ganondorf on occasion (notably the Biggoron Sword and Megaton Hammer on a weak point) the Master Sword was required to actually finish him off, or he would get back up.

Ganondorf's best durability feat is surviving SOME ruble falling on him after making his castle (which is at most 2/3rd's the size of an average castle) SINK into the ground "with his last breath", while he was on the TOP floor of the castle, and it took about 3 minutes for the castle to fall. In Wind Waker, when the dragon Valoo breathed fire on Ganon's room sized base, Ganon was never even seen being hit by fire and the base burned slowly, giving him plenty of time to escape his already small base without ever being touched by fire. There is no evidence supporting the belief that he has any special resistance to fire attacks. His best strength feat is making UNSUPPORTED parts of a floor fall off either from having to use an ENERGY CHARGED punch, or from stomping hard when in his Ganon form.

Ganondorf's best durability feat is tanking the attack that Midna used to destroy Hyrule Castle. Valoo, meanwhile, actually says that it takes much more than "wrath and fire" to harm Ganondorf. Valoo himself knows he couldn't have beaten Ganondorf there.

Also, I'd say Ganondorf's best strength feat is being stronger than a Golden Gauntlets or Power Bracelets empowered Link. Not to mention he can shatter stone with his face.

Ganondorf does not have the ability to warp to different dimensions, because the only times he was ever able to get in or out of dimensions/realms was because of either being SENT there (one time by 6 sages who never even showed any kind of power before then. So the power needed for the seal used to imprison Ganon must have been somehow activated by their combined aura, as strongly indicated by the cutscene where they turn into small balls of light then merge together as flowing streams of light, forming what looks like a light portal sucking in a lot of air. Right before that even happens, one of the sages calls upon the "ancient creators of Hyrule", aka the three golden goddesses, to "open the sealed door and send the evil incarnation of darkness into the void of the evil realm". Ganon was only able to break out by using the full triforce, which holds the power from the same "ancient creators of Hyrule", to grant him a wish that was only partially fulfilled.), or from accessing specific entry/exit ways that he either had to find or somehow break COMPLETELY open, because only being partly open still keeps him trapped. Ganondorf has only ever demonstrated being able to warp creatures of HIS OWN essence (Phantom Ganon) outside of the dimension their already in, and ONLY to "the gap between dimensions".

Agahnim warped Link to the Dark World and Ganondorf traveled from the Twilight Realm to the world of light while the only known portal was destroyed.

He is also not even a low tier reality warper, obviously because he has never demonstrated any kind of reality warping power. When Zant had Ganondorf's power, during the Zant boss he simply performed illusory tricks, and ONLY on the small throne room him and Link start out in, as evidenced by the fact that all illusory areas were roughly the same size as said room, and when the fight ends it's back to normal. Also because Midna is never seen in any of the changing areas but she witnesses the entire fight in the throne room.

False. The Morpheel room is much larger than the throne room, and Midna appears in all areas to give Link advice. Unless you think Zant can make people drown with his mind, it's unlikely to have been a mere illusion.

And in Twilight Princess Ganondorf had to draw on power from Zant as well, and also other twili for many of the things he did, meaning he could not use his own power for most of his feats in Twilight Princess. His appearance as a flaming head in Twilight Princess only communicated with others, and never even demonstrated being able to do anything else.

He states that the Twili's hate awakened him, and that he grew strong again. That does not mean the power isn't his, and everything Zant did was with Ganondorf's power because he specificaly had none of his own.

In Ocarina of Time, the scene where the walls seem to be slowly disappearing is clearly an illusory affect from Ganondorf teleporting himself and Link to the top floor of the castle, because the walls from that room are still visible when you run downstairs and when you see the castle sinking. And again, that's only effecting a small area, and teleporting a small distance, which is the farthest he's ever been able to teleport. He's also never moved any faster than an average marathon runner, and the fastest thing hes ever dodged is arrows. None of his attacks have ever even moved noticeably fast.

I really hope "all your feats are illusions" doesn't become a thing. Anyway, are you sure those are the same walls? The decoration on them was a rather common thing in Ganon's Tower. Plus, they aren't there once the castle is fully down.

On teleportation, Zant regularly teleports long distance, and Ganondorf teleported Zelda after he trapped her in a crystal. He moved pretty fast when he punch Link in Wind Waker, I guess.

He's only shown to be able to hover a short distance from off the ground, not fly, except WHILE releasing all the power of his triforce piece. Ganondorf has only shown to be able to posses people either when their unconscious or if their soul is separated from their body, and only when gaining power from the twili.

Agahnim.

When Ganondorf got a hold of the full triforce (which can only grant one wish), he wished to be ruler of Hyrule. His wish was not completely fulfilled by the clearly limited full triforce (which was created by the three golden goddesses, the most powerful beings in Zelda, who had to use their power put together to create the world that Zelda takes place in), because the wish created a dark version of Hyrule for him to rule in, instead of granting him rule over the original Hyrule. The dark world was not even a completely separate world, because whatever happens to Hyrule also happens in the dark world. And even most of Ganondorfs feats are from the triforce of power, instead of his own power.

Where is it said what his wish was? As I recall, all Link to the Past had to say on the matter was that Ganon's laughter could be heard coming from the Sacred Realm, which had turned dark. Yes, the Triforce of Power is the source of most of Ganondorf's power. Good thing he always has it.

And Ganondorf is not immortal because being REincarnated/resurrected means that he has in fact died before and is being brought BACK to life, and not even with his own power. But even taking that into account, in the second Zelda game the ones trying to resurrect Ganon failed, and that was chronologically the last game in the series. So Ganon(dorf) is most definitely killable, with or without "evils bane" items, even within the Zelda series' own lore. And in the first Zelda game you also kill him without "evils bane" weapons, and while in his Ganon form. Ganon is "the great king of evil" only within the confines of the Zelda series.

Ganondorf revived himself with the Triforce of Power in Twilight Princess; it's clearly an ability he has access to all the time, which is why he is sealed so often.

Adventure of Link isn't the last game on the timeline. There are three of them now, you know. It is the last in the Failure Timeline, but in that one we don't know how he was defeated after he won in Ocarina of Time. Though in the first game Link requires both the Triforce of Wisdom and the Silver Arrows, so actually Ganondorf has never in Zelda lore been killed without an Evil's Bane weapon.

Are we having fun yet?

The greatest feat about Gannondorf imo is how TP Gannondorf got the ToP, because he never acquired it in that timeline. It just appeared on him once he was executed. However at about that same time in the OoT and WW timeline Gannondorf acquired the ToP in the Temple of Time. Which means once he got it in one timeline he got it on all three timelines. Another important fact is that I never think he got the FULL Triforce. I think he tried but it separated and he only got the Triforce of Power. But there are still games I haven't played.

Didn't Ganon have the full Triforce at the end of A Link to the Past?

Maybe. Never finished. The stupid caterpillar boss kept beating me so I raged quit.