Originally posted by Digi
No. Unless it's being used to refer to the head of a pantheon in Marvel, there's no standardized definition for it. We know generally what it means, but there are no upper and lower limits.
I thought it was pretty much accepted that Odin was the top skyfather; anyone greater being a Low Elder God...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I thought it was pretty much accepted that Odin was the top skyfather; anyone greater being a Low Elder God...
I would say he is like what Surfer is in the high Herald tier, a representation of that tier...doesn't mean top dog (even though, by fts, he is the best). An argument can be made for other skyfathers, BUT, a skyfather is a skyfather, there isn't any placement of tiers.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I thought it was pretty much accepted that Odin was the top skyfather; anyone greater being a Low Elder God...
By who? I've never even heard the term "Low Elder God" in reference to a tier. If it exists as such a descriptor, it's only within a small subset of this forum.
Yes, Odin's generally considered the top pantheon head. But that's different than saying there's a Skyfather Tier. Several Trans. characters would likely beat the "lower" Skyfathers. Does that put them in the SF tier? My only point was to answer carver's question. No, there isn't a prescribed tier for it, just sort of a general reference point like Odin.
Originally posted by carver9
I honestly don't get it.
There is no definition of durabilty, mind powers, energy blasts etc. linked to a particular tier. Having "herald level" energy projection means -at best- that you can hurt healds with such a blast, because that can be mesured by showings. In the otherhand saying that there is "sky father durability"makes no sense, as there is no lower/higher amount of durability making you a skyfather.
Originally posted by Bentley
There is no definition of durabilty, mind powers, energy blasts etc. linked to a particular tier. Having "herald level" energy projection means -at best- that you can hurt healds with such a blast, because that can be mesured by showings. In the otherhand saying that there is "sky father durability"makes no sense, as there is no lower/higher amount of durability making you a skyfather.
Thanos on average has withstood things that would kill a Herald or trans. He has also done things strength wise, 'on a consistent basis' that Heralds or trans can not perform. IMO, yes, he can be established as a skyfather, BUT, in my opinion, he isn't there due to his lack of versatility. Do you not agree with this?.
Originally posted by carver9
Thanos on average has withstood things that would kill a Herald or trans. He has also done things strength wise, 'on a consistent basis' that Heralds or trans can not perform. IMO, yes, he can be established as a skyfather, BUT, in my opinion, he isn't there due to his lack of versatility. Do you not agree with this?.
I don't agree with your argument. I think that setting the point that "would kill a trans" is vague and disregards powersets entirely. Powersets and status aren't directly linked to tiering because that just goes to complicate the task and the powerlevels become murky.
At some point people did a "intelligence tier thread" which I think is a more sensible way of adressing this kind of particular tiers. At no point they should be considered as equivalent to the general powerlevels that we currently use.
All that, in my opinion.
Originally posted by carver9
Thanos on average has withstood things that would kill a Herald or trans. He has also done things strength wise, 'on a consistent basis' that Heralds or trans can not perform. IMO, yes, he can be established as a skyfather, BUT, in my opinion, he isn't there due to his lack of versatility. Do you not agree with this?.
I actually agree with this (sort of). Thanos's durability is haxx, so yeah, if his other qualities were of equivalent value, we'd probably be grouping him with Odin. Not sure I'd agree with the thing about strength. Are his strength showings higher than SBP? Validus? Many would say no. But the durability point is well made.
As it is, he's where he belongs.
Originally posted by carver9
An argument can be made. He has the physical stats of a skyfather, I just don't think he has the versatility and power output of a skyfather.
Yes but i can't see a skyfather having such problems with earth heroes even with the aid of his generals.
I always have seen thanos as a mid-high trans, there's people more formidable than him physically in the tier IMO and no one is calling them skyfather.
Plus zeus is a skyfather only by name, there's too much shit on his story to put him as odin's equal.
Re: Weaker "Skyfather" than zeus.
Originally posted by JuggernautMania
is there any?
Zeus is considered to be a "weak" Skyfather on these boards not because of poor feats, but an utter lack of feats when compared to someone like Odin.
So, any and all Skyfathers who are likewise feat deficient should be considered as weak or weaker.