Originally posted by Lord Stark
I don't think Bane is going to dominate them to the point where there is no chance of victory. You'd need Sidious level speed and reactions for that.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm not saying he would. I'm not even saying he's superior to Dooku. But Anakin's not powerful and skilled enough on his own to get a critical hit on Bane whose almost entire body is impervous to lightsaber hits, IMHO.
I agree with that assertion entirely. If they worked together though? Also why do you have a problem with my Kenobi and Skywalker number when Grievous has a 85:15 vs. Bane.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
If they worked together though?
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Also why do you have a problem with my Kenobi and Skywalker number when Grievous has a 85:15 vs. Bane.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I don't think Bane is going to dominate them to the point where there is no chance of victory. You'd need Sidious level speed and reactions for that.
Bane has the best speed feats out of any Force User, namely the rain dance he performs in DoE which is by far the best quantifiable speed feat in the mythos.
He doesn't have Sidious level speed, he has a level of speed far beyond that. With virtually indestructible armor covering 90% of his body. As well as a frightening level of talent with a lightsaber.
He crushes the AotC duo, realistically something like 999/1000
Originally posted by Lord Stark
You must be joking.
Funny, I thought you were.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
*Skywalker rushes, gets taken out ala lightning temporarily.
Um, temporarily? 😬
Bane would reduce him to ash, lol.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Kenobi duels him for awhile, Skywalker saber throws and cuts Bane's head off while distracted.
If only he had some sixth sense called precognition that could warn him about that. Bane has sensed surprise attacks before. He's sensed groups of attackers who he couldn't even see. His senses are extremely good.
Also Kenobi would be utterly demolished in a 1on1 duel. Seriously, you think Kenobi can survive a single Force attack from Bane? Hilarious. And Skywalker would never tag an opponent as fast as Bane with a lightsaber throw.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Remember the Exile was able to catch even Emperor Vitiate off guard and would have won were it not for her being intent on saving Revan. Similarly when Kenobi was down vs. Dooku Skywalker could have likely ended Dooku's life even as he ended Kenobi.
I highly doubt Anakin could have killed Dooku. Dooku would have sensed his attack and dodged.
And with Vitiate it was specifically a case where Vitiate was pissed off enough to ignore the other combatants, who he thought were tied up in combat. Revan was giving him a good enough fight to draw all Vitiates attention. Kenobi could only draw Banes full attention if he stated doing the can-can whilst furiously masturbating.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Bane wins a vast majority. But if you don't think if the two of them can't defeat him a few times out of a hundred you are mistaken imo.
Bane would babyshake those chuckle heads.
Also he would whoop Grievous and the Maul brothers too.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Funny, I thought you were.
Eh I may have overstated their chances.
Um, temporarily? 😬Bane would reduce him to ash, lol.
Doubtful, but okay.
If only he had some sixth sense called precognition that could warn him about that. Bane has sensed surprise attacks before. He's sensed groups of attackers who he couldn't even see. His senses are extremely good.
I am not denying that at all.
Also Kenobi would be utterly demolished in a 1on1 duel. Seriously, you think Kenobi can survive a single Force attack from Bane? Hilarious. And Skywalker would never tag an opponent as fast as Bane with a lightsaber throw.
Depends on what you mean by that. Can Kenobi survive a force push from Bane? Sure. Can he likely deflect his lightning in short bursts? Sure. Can he tank a fully charged continuous blast of Bane's lightning? God no.
And I think he would if Bane is distracted enough or lets his guard down. These characters are in character afterall.
I highly doubt Anakin could have killed Dooku. Dooku would have sensed his attack and dodged.
I doubt it as well. But battles aren't always as cut and dry as that.
And with Vitiate it was specifically a case where Vitiate was pissed off enough to ignore the other combatants, who he thought were tied up in combat. Revan was giving him a good enough fight to draw all Vitiates attention. Kenobi could only draw Banes full attention if he stated doing the can-can whilst furiously masturbating.
Switch the roles then. I am sure Bane can get pissed off enough to ignore Kenobi or Skywalker to slip up.
Bane would babyshake those chuckle heads.
Yes, he would. 70:30 matchup is a massive advantage.
Also he would whoop Grievous and the Maul brothers too.
Obviously. Grievous is 90:10 max. And the Maul brothers I disagree with.
Bane is more powerful than the Maul Brothers for SURE!!!
Sidious took them down with ease half the time toying with them. Bane isn't Sidious I know but still he has his orbalisks and never of the Maul Brothers can use lightning. Also, after hearing about all those speed feats that Bane has i don't think a lot of this gauntlet are fast enough to even hit Bane never mind anywhere that isn't covered by the orbalisks!!!
I think that arguing over the lower opponents is pointless as he obviously clears them. It's the people like Malgus Caedus and Windu etc that are the main points of conversation and debate surely!?!?
Never denied he wouldn't beat them. I just don't think it'll be a spanking. Revised numbers
AOTC Anakin and Obi-wan
1. Bane 80:20
2. Bane 90:10
3. Bane 85:15
Grievous
1. Bane 90:10
2. Bane 100:0
3. Bane 95:5
Maul Brothers
1. Maul Brothers 55:45
2. Bane 65:35
3. Bane 60:40
Darth Malgus
1. Bane 60:40
2. Bane 60:40
3. Bane 60:40
Darth Caedus
1. Bane 55:45
2. Bane 55:45
3. Bane 55:45
Mace Windu
1. Mace 55:45
2. Bane 60:40
3. Even; adv Bane 51:49
Yoda
1. Yoda 65:35
2. Yoda 60:40
3. Yoda 60:40
Darth Sidious
1. Sidious 60:40
2. Sidious 65:35
3. Sidious 60:40
Luke Skywalker
1. Luke 70:30
2. Luke 70:30
3. Luke 70:30
Originally posted by Astor EbligisI don't think banes DoE speed feats can be used here unless the op specifies that its DoE bane with orbalisks. Bane didn't have the orbalisks when he did the rain feat and he doesn't have any speed feats even close to that when he had the orbs.
Bane has the best speed feats out of any Force User, namely the rain dance he performs in DoE which is by far the best quantifiable speed feat in the mythos.He doesn't have Sidious level speed, he has a level of speed far beyond that. With virtually indestructible armor covering 90% of his body. As well as a frightening level of talent with a lightsaber.
He crushes the AotC duo, realistically something like 999/1000
He might have been even faster with the orbalisks, given that he was already incredibly powerful and was receiving a massive boost to his powers while wearing the armor.
In DoE he lacked such an advantage, though he did have ten years more experience.
Either way, he's already moved beyond the eyes of trained Force Users (as far back as PoD) and when Zannah was fighting him in RoT, from her perspective it looked like he was wielding twelve lightsabers. So he already has feats to put him on Sidious' level of speed, and later has a feat that puts him far beyond that level. With numerous other advantages that Sid's wouldn't have, namely the orbalisks and his overwhelming physical strength, as well as his talent with a lightsaber.
Originally posted by Astor EbligisI doubt he was faster with orbalisks and since he doesnt have any feats to suggest he was it's kind of moot.
He might have been even faster with the orbalisks, given that he was already incredibly powerful and was receiving a massive boost to his powers while wearing the armor.In DoE he lacked such an advantage, though he did have ten years more experience.
Either way, he's already moved beyond the eyes of trained Force Users (as far back as PoD) and when Zannah was fighting him in RoT, from her perspective it looked like he was wielding twelve lightsabers. So he already has feats to put him on Sidious' level of speed, and later has a feat that puts him far beyond that level. With numerous other advantages that Sid's wouldn't have, namely the orbalisks and his overwhelming physical strength, as well as his talent with a lightsaber.
The other feats u listed don't put him anywhere near sids level of speed.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Eh I may have overstated their chances.
A tad, perhaps.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Doubtful, but okay.
Why doubtful? Banes lightning has turned people to ash multiple times. Even if Skywalker can resist it a bit, he's still dying or out of the fight permenently.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Depends on what you mean by that. Can Kenobi survive a force push from Bane? Sure.
If Dooku can take out RotS Kenobi with a single Force attack, so can Bane. Except this is AotC Kenobi, who is quite a bit weaker than his older self.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Can he likely deflect his lightning in short bursts? Sure. Can he tank a fully charged continuous blast of Bane's lightning? God no.
Ok.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
And I think he would if Bane is distracted enough or lets his guard down. These characters are in character afterall.
I just can't see Bane being distracted by AotC Kenobi at all. The man is woefully out of his depth in terms of the Force and lightsaber combat.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I doubt it as well. But battles aren't always as cut and dry as that.
Anakin may have surprised him in thye movie, but imo thats because he wasn't attacking Dooku. If he had, Dooku's danger sense would have piped up. Precognition is select towards danger iirc.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Switch the roles then. I am sure Bane can get pissed off enough to ignore Kenobi or Skywalker to slip up.
I feel like you're thinking about this being a remote possibility. I just can't see it. Bane is too far above these guys, his Force attacks are too lethal and he's way too well-protected.