Ben Grimm is so underrated he wins this on better Strength and duribility
Originally posted by JayDaDonben is alot faster than you'd think. His speed was always complimented on in every fight he had with hulk. Alot more durable too. he one survived falling from space
I say the Iron fist (the attack) would take Ben out. Plus I just dont see Ben landing a hit on him.
Originally posted by deathslash
I'm asking you a simple question and you have to act like a douche? real classy.Danny explicitly said that he was using about 30% of his actual skill while Logan said that he was using about 80%. Ignoring both of their statements severely weakens your argument. You're also ignoring that Danny tooled Logan in their first fight. You also ignored my statement on how Danny ragdolled Skaar. So getting taken out momentarily by a tiger god possessed White Tiger (who went on to tool Cage and She Hulk) is a bad showing?
Fighting skills and speed actually matter a whole lot(just look at Karate Kid or the Mandarin).
i respond the way i feel people deserve, if you dont like it i dont care much.
i dont remember them stating anything like that at all. as a matter of fact i doubt that but i might be wrong. even if so wolverine still beat him easily, so even as 30% and 80% doesnt say much because we dont know how it would go by evenly matched percents.
my whole point to begin with is that irn fist isnt karate kid, his skill level isnt something out of this world. he was easily matched by shang chi and other fighters, he is perhaps slightly more skilled than them but not by a merge at all. the only thing he has that can give ben any trouble is the iron fist. and ben took punches from an all out hulk. an all out gladiator. and many more which i assure you hit harder than iron fist. but i can also assure you that iron fist wont be able to dance for very long when he will get hit by thing.
Ben doesn't get many battles he can win on this forum, and I'm still not sure if this is one of them.
Now Thing isn't Hulk, but I can remember at least twice when Rand IF'd the Hulk, the first was something like "the most powerful blow he had every struck", and it did basically nothing. The second time Hulk grabbed his fist and contained the entire blow, hurting Danny in the process. That gives some idea of where IF sits, but IF has been upgraded since then and like I said, Thing isn't Hulk.
I can also remember Danny using the IF on Thing at least once, but it seemed to be a glancing blow and not much was shown.
As far as Thing vs MA goes, Thing was not affected by Moondragon's pressure point attacks, but was dropped with a single pressure point attack from Gamora. IF is definitely faster than Ben.
Given IF's upgrades I might give him the majority here, but Ben can win some if he is lucky.