I believe we are reality warpers limited by our inner beliefs.
But I also believe each of us have an unconscious spiritual destination that manifests itself in numbers we see, dreams we have, things that the people around say. That this spiritual destination will guide each and everyone of us to nirvana because consciously we are aiming at straws and wouldn't know how to achieve nirvana-permanence unless the method prevented itself to us, ipso facto, our spiritual destination has a guide that communicates with us in the ways I explained. If you have something on your mind something somebody might say will answer your question inadvertently, I guarantee you this will happen.
Look at Giordano Bruno, for instance. His life was miserable because he wanted to change reality, before him I don't think the universe was more than 10,000 years old and the sky might have literally been a curtain. Scientifically you can prove otherwise now, but then? Perhaps not so much, even with modern tools. The cosmos may be illusory yet, and that may be yet provable, even some have subjectively experienced space as 3D rather than 2D. They may have been under a delusion. Because Giordano Bruno did in fact change things, we are reality warpers.
But in his dream perhaps the spiritual guide was presenting him the curtain so he didn't continue to go down this path of destruction. But he fought it and consciously he made this dream-curtain 3D, our stars were other suns.
And he burned to the stake after a life of torment...was that what his spiritual guide would have wanted.
Look, I want happiness, first and foremost. I believe I am an anomaly as well, that is what my spiritual tells me, mine is a grander purpose.
I will follow it. Right now, it's telling me to stay with school, stay grounded, not too high, not too low. To make something of myself, to do science, computer science.
Look at any man in Biblical or any other religious text and the only ones to have achieved Nirvana permanence flew away, they went into the sky. They are not among us now but they exist in permanent satisfaction without regrets or let downs throughout their conscious existence. Death did not take them there, death merely reduces the cut in a supposed singular conscience, and birth increases them conically. We should want as many individualized consciousnesses in nirvana-permanence because the more the merrier, why did the supposed singular consciousness divide to begin with if this is not so? But right now the number individualized consciousnesses in a temporary, non-nirvana state, is increasing and the number in nirvana-permanence has not changed since those Gods parted ways.
"Clouds darken the sky.
The stars reign down.
The constellations stagger.
The bones of the hell hounds tremble.
The porters are silent.
When they see this King dawning as a soul.
Open are the double doors of the horizon.
Unlocked are its bolts.
Men fall.
Their names are not.
Seize thou this King by his arm.
Take this King to the sky, that he not die on earth among men.
Open are the double doors of the horizon.
Unlocked are its bolts.
He flies who flies.
This King flies away from you ye mortals.
He is not of the earth.
He is of the sky.
He flaps his wings like a Zeret Bird.
He goes to the sky.
He goes to the sky.
On the wind.
On the wind."
-Akhnaten, Act I
Originally posted by Robtard
It seems you're using "scientific discovery" as "warping reality", ie someone who goes against set beliefs and proves their idea to be true. eg CopernicusThat makes you seem a little less cray-cray when put in that light.
I can't bend a spoon with telekinesis, consciously or unconsciously my understanding of nature does not permit such.
It may be that way with or without science.
Afterward I noted the interesting fact that after a certain point, still before the advent of science, no one was thought of as a God or an immortal.
Perhaps when you get too many individuals interference is produced. They become grounded and too distracted to follow down the perfect path, the road leading to nirvana paradise, consistently enough to go anywhere supernatural before death is accepted as the harsh reality.
And it is interesting that those who've made families and experienced a life filled with love tend to be more accepting of their fate. It is also interesting that staying clean and wanting to be successful enough to provide for your children so that they may be even more successful has always been what my spiritual guide has wanted for me.
If I could follow it so consistently so as to never go off track, who knows where I could go.
I know I was so negative as a child and most my life that I'd end up saying the worst will and that I live in hell. And shit hit the fan and I was fed some baad experiences. Was my negativity and lack of consistency, lack of inspiration or aspirations and goals, the culprit?
When was anyone thought of as an immortal?
People in the OT were believed to have lived for hundreds of years, but original sin made the first two humans mortal and the species they proliferated mortal. Even religions older than the Judeo-Christians didn't have humanity as being immortal, save divine beings or people who were specifically 'blessed' or 'cursed' by God, the gods or some other outside factor , iirc.
Originally posted by RobtardWell, there are the Demi-Gods who ascended to Godhood, there's Jesus Christ, Julius Caesar, Egyptian Pharaohs, and many many more who began as mortals. As per those Egyptians, those of the OT, and early humans in Hinduism, their lives were considered eternal, "long in duration", "living forever and ever". I would be referring to those blessed by God.
When was anyone thought of as an immortal?I know people in the OT were believed to have lived for hundreds of years, but original sin made the first two humans mortal and the species they proliferated mortal. Even religions older than the Judeo-Christians didn't have immortals, save divine beings or people who were specifically 'blessed' or 'cursed' by God, the gods or some other outside factor , iirc.
Originally posted by Oneness
Well, there are the Demi-Gods who ascended to Godhood, there's Jesus Christ, Julius Caesar, Egyptian Pharaohs, and Hinduists, and many many more who began as mortals.
-Demi-gods are just that. Divine. They're not real though.
-Jesus is essentially (a facet of) God. If you believe in Christianity.
-Never heard of Julius Caesar as being immortal, unless you're referring to people talking about him long after his death. Many people have achieved this kind of "immortality". The general consensus is that he died via stabbing.
-Pharoahs didn't acheive immortality in life, but in the afterlife. They're dead though.
-Hinduist as in incarnation?
Though this doesn't gel with your previous statement concerning people being immortal and before science. It's fine though.
Originally posted by Stealth MooseWhenever you try to rationalize certainty in providence of a good life from some sort of benevolent abstraction - you may seem ridiculous to others. That's because it's a certainty that if I do my job to the fullest of my ability I'll be taken care of.
This might make sense of anything was here trillions of years ago.This thread is why people shouldn't smoke crack as well.
You're taking something way out of context, I'm not saying anything about that sect Hinduism being right on the origin of humanity.
I'm pretty sure this is the reason I respond negatively when presented with the idea that new age-y spirituality is a step in the right direction from institutions. Same problem, different details. It's espousing one type of magical thinking over another, not getting to the root of the issue by emphasizing critical thinking and actually understanding the universe around us. Because Oneness can continue his line of thought, smugly positing something that has neither proof nor evidence nor the faintest scrap of plausibility, with the incredulity he faces acting as fuel for his irrational fervor. Nothing we say can penetrate that thought-bubble, because it's designed to be insular, a belief held not only despite evidence but in spite of contrary evidence, and made stronger because of both. It's standard religious faith-based logic, just toward a new end.
I legit lol'd at Julius Caesar being an immortal though. At least non-traditional yahoos can occasionally surprise me with a unique bit of crazy.
You want wonder and awe within the realm of the possible, plausible, and provable? I'd encourage you to watch the new Cosmos with Neil Degrasse Tyson. Also, do yourself a favor and research the case against the Law of Attraction. I have no delusions that it will change your mind, but if nothing else, you'll gain some understanding of the entire debate.
I'm not being anti-science here.
To be clear, Galileo would have made the discovery regardless of what Bruno suspected. I was using the man as an example of why there is human suffering.
Based on my subjective experience I believe there is at least an optimal life experience (a life without suffering) based on the decisions made therein and that the correct decisions are presented to us throughout our lifetime.
Originally posted by DigiI envy your vocabulary.
I'm pretty sure this is the reason I respond negatively when presented with the idea that new age-y spirituality is a step in the right direction from institutions. Same problem, different details. It's espousing one type of magical thinking over another, not getting to the root of the issue by emphasizing critical thinking and actually understanding the universe around us. Because Oneness can continue his line of thought, smugly positing something that has neither proof nor evidence nor the faintest scrap of plausibility, with the incredulity he faces acting as fuel for his irrational fervor. Nothing we say can penetrate that thought-bubble, because it's designed to be insular, a belief held not only despite evidence but in spite of contrary evidence, and made stronger because of both. It's standard religious faith-based logic, just toward a new end.I legit lol'd at Julius Caesar being an immortal though. At least non-traditional yahoos can occasionally surprise me with a unique bit of crazy.
You want wonder and awe within the realm of the possible, plausible, and provable? I'd encourage you to watch the new Cosmos with Neil Degrasse Tyson. Also, do yourself a favor and research the case against the Law of Attraction. I have no delusions that it will change your mind, but if nothing else, you'll gain some understanding of the entire debate.
Originally posted by DigiChaining us down can be a good thing.
Well at least you're consistent.
What I meant was that the method of science could go full circle. That should blow your mind if you think about it. Everything proved could possibly be disproved, or perhaps whatever unscientific belief has been postulated could be uncovered for what it truly is through science. Either is great.
I'm stressing the significance of the self-awareness throughout nature in general. To me, a superior being that is concerned with us is more far fetched than each of our minds somehow having an outward, prescient projection that knows the path best suited for each individual.
How would that be possible? Earlier I put forth the proposition that individuality is the result of a conically divided consciousness and we have no clue how deeply other consciousnesses, perhaps superior beings, might permeate reality. I mean the depth of the presence of the conscious eyes of whatever else may be out there.
Originally posted by Oneness
Chaining us down can be a good thing.
Oh, we already know you think that. Remember when you went full super-villain on page 1? Let's remind our home listeners:
Originally posted by Oneness
Which would be a good thing if it chained everyone but me.
Originally posted by Oneness
What I meant was that the method of science could go full circle. That should blow your mind if you think about it. Everything proved could possibly be disproved, or perhaps whatever unscientific belief has been postulated could be uncovered for what it truly is through science. Either is great.
You're essentially writing a what-if novel here. Hey, it could possibly be proven that ice cream cones are sentient aliens slowly being absorbed into our bodies to make us transcendent beings!
That has literally the same level of evidential credence as your ideas. Possible vs. plausible. You fail to grok the difference.
Originally posted by Oneness
I'm stressing the significance of the self-awareness throughout nature in general. To me, a superior being that is concerned with us is more far fetched than each of our minds somehow having an outward, prescient projection that knows the path best suited for each individual.
You're halfway there. Both are far-fetched. Apply some of that same skepticism to your own beliefs to see if they truly hold up.
Originally posted by Oneness
How would that be possible? Earlier I put forth the proposition that individuality is the result of a conically divided consciousness and we have no clue how deeply other consciousnesses, perhaps superior beings, might permeate reality. I mean the depth of the presence of the conscious eyes of whatever else may be out there.
Aaaand this just straight-up doesn't make sense. It might to you, but you have a long way to go to make a coherent point to anyone else. Magical thinking with a handful of pseudo-scientific and/or spiritual terms is the hallmark of the bullsh*t New Age movement, and the myriad forms it takes (Law of Attraction among them). You're one invocation of quantum mechanics away from earning your advanced degree.