Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wouldn't the lasso compel him to obey her?
Pre-Flashpoint Wonder Woman's lasso might win it for them. Thor still beats Diana 7/10 imo. Aquaman gets two pieced maybe so I'm not sure what he can do.
Current Wonder Woman's lasso doesn't work that way however.
Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
And wouldn't the sword cut him like butter?
It should be able to cut him, yes but its not going to give them the win. Thor has crazy piercing damage soak (And durability, he palmed Malekith's sword) under Aaron and still has Mjonir. He's also no stranger to fighting people with swords.
Although seeing as how Katana shattered her sword IIRC, Mjolnir probably shatters it.
Originally posted by zopzop
Enters Valhalla and RIP.Team 2 ftw.
Thor would beat current Wonder Woman like 9/10 and pre-flashpoint Wonder Woman about 7/10.
I fail to see how adding Aquaman in either scenario allows them the win against regular Thor, much less when his strength is DOUBLED.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pre-Flashpoint Wonder Woman's lasso might win it for them. Thor still beats Diana 7/10 imo. Aquaman gets two pieced maybe so I'm not sure what he can do.Current Wonder Woman's lasso doesn't work that way however.
It should be able to cut him, yes but its not going to give them the win. Thor has crazy piercing damage soak (And durability, he palmed Malekith's sword) under Aaron and still has Mjonir. He's also no stranger to fighting people with swords.
Although seeing as how Katana shattered her sword IIRC, Mjolnir probably shatters it.
Thor would beat current Wonder Woman like 9/10 and pre-flashpoint Wonder Woman about 7/10.
I fail to see how adding Aquaman in either scenario allows them the win against regular Thor, much less when his strength is DOUBLED.
What do you mean, it no longer works like that?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What do you mean, it no longer works like that?
Putting the lasso around someone doesn't mean that he becomes compelled to obey her or something and surrender. The only thing I've seen under writers is her get the truth out of it. Otherwise it seems to be just a durable rope unless I've missed something.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Putting the lasso around someone doesn't mean that he becomes compelled to obey her or something and surrender. The only thing I've seen under writers is her get the truth out of it. Otherwise it seems to be just a durable rope unless I've missed something.
True. I thought it DID compel others to obey her, but maybe only to tell the truth?
Haven't seen anything so far to suggest ALL commands have to be obeyed, only commands to tell the truth, so you might be right.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3241362-20.jpg
It also catches intangible beings (Pandora), btw.
Actually, it DOES compel people to obey her:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3244095-s20-1.jpg
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Actually, it DOES compel people to obey her:http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3244095-s20-1.jpg
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True. I thought it DID compel others to obey her, but maybe only to tell the truth?Haven't seen anything so far to suggest ALL commands have to be obeyed, only commands to tell the truth, so you might be right.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3241362-20.jpg
It also catches intangible beings (Pandora), btw.
I've seen it used on Cheetah, Supergirl, Superman, Darkseid, Aquaman etc. in none of those fights did it somehow compel the opponents to submit or something.
Okay?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It compelled Phantom Stranger to obey her, and it compelled Hephaestus, a god as well, to obey her....
Wait, it compelled them to OBEY her or tell the truth?
Do you have scans of this?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Actually, it DOES compel people to obey her:http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3244095-s20-1.jpg
I don't understand what that is suppose to prove? It allowed her to pull out Hector Hammond from his subconscious which I guess is a logical aspect of truth but how is that evidence of obedience?
Did she force Hector to leave Superman's mind?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wait, it compelled them to OBEY her or tell the truth?Do you have scans of this?
I don't understand what that is suppose to prove? It allowed her to pull out Hector Hammond from his subconscious which I guess is a logical aspect of truth but how is that evidence of obedience?
She specifically said she was going to compel Hammond. He then came out and revealed himself, against his will (pried out from his fortifications).
I then mentioned PS and Heph to celeg, because he was pointing out that Thor may be above her pay grade to just submit.
Ultimately, I was making two points:
1. It has the ability to compel others to submit to her wishes against their will (Hammond).
2. Power-wise, it has affected gods and PS.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She specifically said she was going to compel Hammond. He then came out and revealed himself, against his will (pried out from his fortifications).
Which would be relevant if Thor was possessed or something but how does that make any difference in a fight?
That's a logical extension of truth. There's a difference between that and compelling Thor to obey her for the win or something. Especially since it's proved to be unable to just do that in a bunch of fights now.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I then mentioned PS and Heph to celeg, because he was pointing out that Thor may be above her pay grade to just submit.Ultimately, I was making two points:
1. It has the ability to compel others to submit to her wishes against their will (Hammond).
2. Power-wise, it has affected gods and PS.
1. What does submit to her wishes mean? There's a difference between revelation and subjugation.
You seem to be suggesting simply getting the lasso around Thor will allow her to just force him to do anything she wants or something. What is your evidence of that?
2. Which is not a crazy assumption as it was suggested it would not be as effective against Superman due to his Kryptonian nature being so tough or whatever. And Hephasteus is no Thor. Phantom Stranger sure, although even in his case it's an assumption that his power directly transfers over to exotic resistance but he's supposed to be above Heralds in implication. But basically like the old lasso, it's a coin flip whether it works or fails it seems.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Which would be relevant if Thor was possessed or something but how does that make any difference in a fight?That's a logical extension of truth. There's a difference between that and compelling Thor to obey her for the win or something. Especially since it's proved to be unable to just do that in a bunch of fights now.
1. What does submit to her wishes mean? There's a difference between revelation and subjugation.
You seem to be suggesting simply getting the lasso around Thor will allow her to just force him to do anything she wants or something. What is your evidence of that?
2. Which is not a crazy assumption as it was suggested it would not be as effective against Superman due to his Kryptonian nature being so tough or whatever. And Hephasteus is no Thor. Phantom Stranger sure, although even in his case it's an assumption that his power directly transfers over to exotic resistance but he's supposed to be above Heralds in implication. But basically like the old lasso, it's a coin flip whether it works or fails it seems.
1. She wished Hammond to come out, Hammond didn't want to, but he came out anyway.
2. True, he's not Thor, but I've not seen anyone resist it before (I may have missed something, as I obv forgot about the Hammond incident). And as for the Kryptonian resistance, that may have just been WW not knowing, rather than it actually having a limited effect (it obv worked how they wanted it to).
Take your point on whether it works or fails. I will point out that its magic nature would account for some of that, if you phrase your commands wrong, maybe? I haven't seen it 'fail' as such, however.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85... whether it works or fails ...
I will point out that its magic nature would account for some of that ...
if you phrase your commands wrong, maybe ... ?
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Am I really about to support an argument made by Dark Saint?
But it's true ... unless I'm misunderstanding DS ... when going against people whose spoken word carries magic power like storm-summoning etcetera,
even though they be comicbook gods, the lasso can make a properly asked question equal virtually instant victory.
Green Arrow resourcefully used precisely this ploy to defeat Captain Marvel in JLA/JSA Vice and Virtue.
Note that the lasso itself here did not, though it did with Hammond, directly free Marvel from possession.
Green Arrow's cleverly asked question, however ...
I agree with DarkSaint to an extent. The lasso may not be an option if Thor hits first. Since we all know that Thor isn't a moron like Grundy, his first target would be Diana, and he would likely isolate her and finish this as quickly as possible, and then turn to Arthur, and KO him for the win, but that is if the lasso doesn't get him first. This could go either way. I see Thor winning with the belt more so than I see him without it, because Diana would be tough for a normal Thor to put down before Arthur got involved.
