You are forgetting he has Loki on his team. With Loki tricking him with Illusions and what not it would be possible for Thor to throw the hammer at him and Boom! He's knocked over. And now Thor has that time to place the Hammer on top.
And if that don't work, Chris Hemsworth just uses his Aussie power and overcomes Superman in a Drinking Game except instead of alcohol its Red Belly Venom.
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
MOS Superman is drastically weakened. While still stronger then Thor he will be decimated by the Hammer.
Theres nothing to suggest from the movies that Thors hammer would have a significant impact against, Superman. His hammer feats in the movie are modest
I'm also hesitant to believe that Lokis illusions would be effective against, Superman, given Supermans vision
Im not convinced that Superman wins here but his on screen feats do certainly dwarf ANYTHING that his opponents displayed on screen
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Theres nothing to suggest from the movies that Thors hammer would have a significant impact against, Superman. His hammer feats in the movie are modestI'm also hesitant to believe that Lokis illusions would be effective against, Superman, given Supermans vision
Im not convinced that Superman wins here but his on screen feats do certainly dwarf ANYTHING that his opponents displayed on screen
I see you're point... I'm not sure anymore... dam.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So destroying a rather large section of the ground while in the Frost Giant's realm is your idea of modest?
yes. We're talking about a weapon that gives its possessor near omnipotent power. I'm certainly a fan of the, Marvel movies and having been a fan of the comic counter parts i'm aware of their abilities when they're at their best. I expect the movie interpretations of comic book characters to be unique from their comic versions and for the most part i'm satisfied with how most comic characters turn out. As happy as I am with how the movie version of, Thor has turned out I feel that he and the leaders of Asgard should possess a greater amount of power than they have displayed. It's possible that we haven't seen the full extent of Thors abilities but what he have seen has left much to be desired.
I think Thor is yet to have his "moment" in the movies, especially in the, Avengers. I still think that the Avengers movie should have had a greater focus on the importance of his presence than it did. I think it was probably a conscious decision to make his powers modest in order for him to appear as reliant on the rest of the Avengers as they are on him. Through out all of the movies the exposition describing Thors abilities have been greater than what we have seen him capable of.
So to answer your question again,yea I think making a crater in the ground or crashing through buildings is a modest display when compared to the amount of power, Mojinor has been suggested to hold. If Iron Man can take a shot from Thors hammer and suffer just a few scuff marks there is noting that suggests Superman couldn't endure it's wrath.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor did far more than just make a crater in the ground during the Frost Giant scene, he collapsed a rather large section of the area and Iron-man only survived a hammer shot because Thor didn't charge the hammer or even use his full strength.
I can dig you arguing that we may not have seen mojinor used when fully charged but that's still not an argument you can use here because we HAVENT seen it used at it's full power. Even still, if a fully charged Mojinor could significantly harm, Superman he would still need to charge it and then land a blow. The only way Thor is going to catch or land a blow on, Superman is if Superman allows him too or makes a critical mistake.
I still don't know why you think the damage that, Mojinor made to the land in the realm of the Frost giants is that great of a feat. Superman was dropping buildings by flying and being smashed through them and showed no kind of fatigue. I would think your best argument would be focusing on the fight with the destroyer in the end of the first movie and not a hole his hammer made in the ground.
Either way, in the midst of a fight I think the majority of blows that Thor would be throwing out or best capable of landing would be the type of quick attacks he used against Iron Man, and if barely dented his armor it's not going to affect Superman
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm not arguing that Thor would be able to land an attack or that if he could it would seriously injure Superman...I'm just pointing out that a charged hammer shot isn't modest. they were in fact some of the most powerful feats we saw in any of the new MCU movies.
I still say what we've seen from Mojinor is modest when compared to the power it is eluded to possessing. I say that just because I expect so much from, Thor. I expect him to struggle with controlling or realizing his full potential but I also expect to see him periodically have an awe inspiring display of power. Summoning some wind nd lightning and obliterating some rocks with his hammer are incredible feats but no where near what I expect the, God of thunder being capable of.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So destroying a rather large section of the ground while in the Frost Giant's realm is your idea of modest?
It is compared to MoS.
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
You are forgetting he has Loki on his team. With Loki tricking him with Illusions and what not it would be possible for Thor to throw the hammer at him and Boom! He's knocked over. And now Thor has that time to place the Hammer on top.And if that don't work, Chris Hemsworth just uses his Aussie power and overcomes Superman in a Drinking Game except instead of alcohol its Red Belly Venom.
Thor's hammer throws are very mediocre, honestly. Kurse swatted one aside like it was nothing. Superman (who has far greater strength and durability feats than Kurse) would probably tank a hammer shot without issue.
Originally posted by Psychotron
It is compared to MoS.
He didn't say modest in comparison to MOS, he just said modest....remember I'm not arguing that Thor can beat or even hurt MOS Superman with a Mjolnir shot, I was just questioning sed shots being described as modest when they were actually some of the most powerful attacks in any of the MCU movies.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
yes. We're talking about a weapon that gives its possessor near omnipotent power. I'm certainly a fan of the, Marvel movies and having been a fan of the comic counter parts i'm aware of their abilities when they're at their best. I expect the movie interpretations of comic book characters to be unique from their comic versions and for the most part i'm satisfied with how most comic characters turn out. As happy as I am with how the movie version of, Thor has turned out I feel that he and the leaders of Asgard should possess a greater amount of power than they have displayed. It's possible that we haven't seen the full extent of Thors abilities but what he have seen has left much to be desired.I think Thor is yet to have his "moment" in the movies, especially in the, Avengers. I still think that the Avengers movie should have had a greater focus on the importance of his presence than it did. I think it was probably a conscious decision to make his powers modest in order for him to appear as reliant on the rest of the Avengers as they are on him. Through out all of the movies the exposition describing Thors abilities have been greater than what we have seen him capable of.
So to answer your question again,yea I think making a crater in the ground or crashing through buildings is a modest display when compared to the amount of power, Mojinor has been suggested to hold. If Iron Man can take a shot from Thors hammer and suffer just a few scuff marks there is noting that suggests Superman couldn't endure it's wrath.
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
I think MCU is focusing more on character development than their powers or action scenes , their interactions is what they are focusing on , I personally think Captain America is their best character so its not odd that they focus on him for development, Thor is the powerful one in the team no doubt about it but he is thousands of years old there is not much for him to discover than it is for Steve rogers or Tony stark!! and I actually like what marvel is doing, they are not only making some dumb actions movies , their stories are rich and great!!
Yeah, I'm sure many character concessions were made in the origin movies as well as the Avenger movie in order to create a cohesive team. I still don't think that Thor or Captain Americas characters were flushed out or established as best as they could have been but considering that these characters were planned as apart of an ongoing series i'm satisfied with what was done. Other than the lack of development of Caps character in his first movie the only real complaint i have with the phase 2 of Marvel was the plot of, The Avengers. I still contend that there should and could have been a better way of bringing the Avengers together. With all that said, i understand and appreciate the time and budget restraints Marvel was under in executing their, "phase 2" and even though i have some serious gripes i still appreciate all of the movies.
One thing that i do think needs to be addressed is the Odin power. There is obviously always going to be big inconsistencies in any big action movie, especially action movies with comic book heroes. I think it's important to establish more consistency in the Thor world, especially the Odin power. How far does, Odins power extend...,how relevant is it to all of the realms. I think that's important because i always viewed Thor in this series as being a lynch pin to the avengers. Other than just being a representative of Asgard,
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
I think MCU is focusing more on character development than their powers or action scenes , their interactions is what they are focusing on , I personally think Captain America is their best character so its not odd that they focus on him for development, Thor is the powerful one in the team no doubt about it but he is thousands of years old there is not much for him to discover than it is for Steve rogers or Tony stark!! and I actually like what marvel is doing, they are not only making some dumb actions movies , their stories are rich and great!!
Captain America hasn't had any character development at all though. Tony Stark did, Thor did (not very good imo but still), but Steve? None at all.
Originally posted by Silent Master
He didn't say modest in comparison to MOS, he just said modest....remember I'm not arguing that Thor can beat or even hurt MOS Superman with a Mjolnir shot, I was just questioning sed shots being described as modest when they were actually some of the most powerful attacks in any of the MCU movies.
Well yeah. He is relatively powerful next to powerhouses like Hawkeye and Black Widow.