Orion vs WWH

Originally posted by janus77
I don't have a scanner at hand unfortunately, but there's a moment in Secret Wars where a Banner-controlled (weakened) Hulk is part of the group taking on Galactus, and Heavy G blasts Hulk, both eyes, massive beam. Hulk's later shown to be alright, he's not taken out nor injured by it.

Hulk can't even begin to take on Galactus for the simple fact that everything Hulk has, every attribute and skill, Galactus has and a 1000 times more.

Hulk's got potential for infinite strength, via access to a whole universe of energy and mass (Hulk's body takes on mass to an unknown level, iirc), Galactus can feed off of Hulk if he so chooses - thereby granting himself a second infinite source of energy - or just eat the infinite energies of the universe he exists within.

Hulk's strength will expand infinitely, but so will Galactus' and Galactus starts off stronger than anything Hulk's ever attained, so both amping, one at scales millions of times greater than the other, Hulk will always be an ant to him.

Galactus has 1000s of ways of dispatching with Hulk.

Thats fine and dandy.
But you must not ignore PIS. Hulk is not completely immune to energy projection. Thinking otherwise is utter fanboyism and will render your posts to lose credibility and not ever be taken serious again.
Galactus with a gesture reduced Hercules into slime, took away Silver Surfer's power, etc. I can go on. Do you seriously think Hulk can take a blast from big G and survive? Please answer!
Plus Hulk has been hurt several times by energy beams before. For example, he was hurt by Ultron in that same series. So I guess Ultron's beam>>>>>>> Big G's beam? You must not take anything you see in comics as the truth. For many things contradict themselves. You must weigh what you see with the consistency of that character. That is why we got PIS as a definition.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thats fine and dandy.
But you must not ignore PIS. Hulk is not completely immune to energy projection. Thinking otherwise is utter fanboyism and will render your posts to lose credibility and not ever be taken serious again.
Galactus with a gesture reduced Hercules into slime, took away Silver Surfer's power, etc. I can go on. Do you seriously think Hulk can take a blast from big G and survive? Please answer!
Plus Hulk has been hurt several times by energy beams before. For example, he was hurt by Ultron in that same series. So I guess Ultron's beam>>>>>>> Big G's beam? You must not take anything you see in comics as the truth. For many things contradict themselves. You must weigh what you see with the consistency of that character. That is why we got PIS as a definition.

Originally posted by strengthkills
Different kinds of blasts man,Big G could have hit him with a conccusive blast,as for Surfer...where do you think he got his power from?

Why don't you let Janus respond (the person who I quote to)?
I was merely showing him that his logic is bad. He said that since Hulk can withstand Big G's blast he can withstand the AF or OE. But you more or less pointed out his fallacy as well as saying it was entirely concussive (something the AF or OE isn't entirely).

Originally posted by h1a8
Why don't you let Janus respond (the person who I quote to)?
I was merely showing him that his logic is bad. He said that since Hulk can withstand Big G's blast he can withstand the AF or OE. But you more or less pointed out his fallacy as well as saying it was entirely concussive (something the AF or OE isn't entirely).

✅ The AF is more than just an energy blast. Orion has used it to: cleanse New Genesis of corruption, place a magna-lock (tractor beam) onto a large object and tow it (possibly a form of TK?), block the OE (his forcefield is generated from the Astro-harness, which is a part of the AF), and more.

There's a good reason it's called: 'The Wrath of the Source.' galan_orion 313

Originally posted by batdude123
No he wouldn't.

Orion strength is top notch throw in the AF which can increase it to unknown levels, and Orion is consider the top h2h combatant in the universe. Mother box keeps his strength in check and his temperament, WWH would give him hell in h2h combat but that's it, Orion is to versatile.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
How so. I am not much of a Hulk fan but I dont see many people beating him in a straight hand to hand. unless speed, agility, or other powers are involved hes hard to beat in that regard. If Orion goes for punch to punch, hes in trouble.

Hulk beating him in a h2h fight? Possibly, but he definitely wouldn't 'stomp' the Dog of War by any means.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
✅ The AF is more than just an energy blast. Orion has used it to: cleanse New Genesis of corruption, place a magna-lock (tractor beam) onto a large object and tow it (possibly a form of TK?), block the OE (his forcefield is generated from the Astro-harness, which is a part of the AF), and more.

There's a good reason it's called: 'The Wrath of the Source.' galan_orion 313

where was the mighty astro force then.

orion wins with a blast from AF.
cased closed.

Originally posted by h1a8
orion wins with a blast from AF.
cased closed.

Originally posted by h1a8
orion wins with a blast from AF.
cased closed.

Astro force is the wrath of the source, Astro Force=Power of Cosmic. Orion with everything at his disposeal, will overwhelm WWH. AF is to much raw power, in h2h it's 50/50.

Originally posted by quanchi112
blackbolt thought he could win with his killer move as well. didnt work. orion gets broken. mother box fails at some point and orion dies.

Why are you comparing blackbolt's power to a power of GOD ?
In that case Hulk can withstand a blast from LT too since he took blackbolt's stuff. Shame on you with these silly analogies.

Quanchi doesn't understand that certain characters are being written down in WWH.

Originally posted by llagrok
Quanchi doesn't understand that certain characters are being written down in WWH.

lol. no your just a hulk hater. its been said that wwh is the strongest version of hulk.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
lol. no your just a hulk hater. its been said that wwh is the strongest version of hulk.

lol

Originally posted by llagrok
Quanchi doesn't understand that certain characters are being written down in WWH.

IGN Comics: Thus far the Hulk has pretty much dealt with Earth's greatest heroes, and he hasn't had much of a challenge. These heroes have clashed with gods and interstellar heroes and triumphed. Was there any concern or pause on your part or Marvel's that Hulk's increase in power level effectively weakens everyone else?

Pak: The other heroes are just as strong as they've always been. It's just that Hulk is stronger. This isn't anything new -- the Hulk has always been the strongest one there is. But in the past, he's been easier to distract or confuse or placate. The heroes have never had to deal with a Hulk this furious and this utterly convinced of the righteousness of his anger.

Your assumption<<<<<<<<<<<Stated Fact.

Originally posted by strengthkills
IGN Comics: Thus far the Hulk has pretty much dealt with Earth's greatest heroes, and he hasn't had much of a challenge. These heroes have clashed with gods and interstellar heroes and triumphed. Was there any concern or pause on your part or Marvel's that Hulk's increase in power level effectively weakens everyone else?

Pak: The other heroes are just as strong as they've always been. It's just that Hulk is stronger. This isn't anything new -- the Hulk has always been the strongest one there is. But in the past, he's been easier to distract or confuse or placate. The heroes have never had to deal with a Hulk this furious and this utterly convinced of the righteousness of his anger.

Your assumption<<<<<<<<<<<Stated Fact.

On-panel feats>>>>>>>>>>Bullshit PIS writing. dursmart

Originally posted by strengthkills
IGN Comics: Thus far the Hulk has pretty much dealt with Earth's greatest heroes, and he hasn't had much of a challenge. These heroes have clashed with gods and interstellar heroes and triumphed. Was there any concern or pause on your part or Marvel's that Hulk's increase in power level effectively weakens everyone else?

Pak: The other heroes are just as strong as they've always been. It's just that Hulk is stronger. This isn't anything new -- the Hulk has always been the strongest one there is. But in the past, he's been easier to distract or confuse or placate. The heroes have never had to deal with a Hulk this furious and this utterly convinced of the righteousness of his anger.

Your assumption<<<<<<<<<<<Stated Fact.

Originally posted by llagrok
lol

Originally posted by strengthkills
IGN Comics: Thus far the Hulk has pretty much dealt with Earth's greatest heroes, and he hasn't had much of a challenge. These heroes have clashed with gods and interstellar heroes and triumphed. Was there any concern or pause on your part or Marvel's that Hulk's increase in power level effectively weakens everyone else?

Pak: The other heroes are just as strong as they've always been. It's just that Hulk is stronger. This isn't anything new -- the Hulk has always been the strongest one there is. But in the past, he's been easier to distract or confuse or placate. The heroes have never had to deal with a Hulk this furious and this utterly convinced of the righteousness of his anger.

Your assumption<<<<<<<<<<<Stated Fact.

World's greatest hero? He hasn't faced anyone of low herald level. Hulk could've beaten most of those guys before WWH AND now he actually needed help in order to do it. Also, "pretty much dealt with" doesn't really cover it. List the names, look at them and you'll realize that they're not all that.

Also, Pak is wrong. BB has never distracted or confused the Hulk. Just knocked him the f*ck out. But hey, Cyclops' blast doing more damage than Black Bolt's scream. THAT MAKES SENSE.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
On-panel feats>>>>>>>>>>Bullshit PIS writing. dursmart