Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He tanks pretty much everything these days, can't wait for him to break Superman.The breaking of the Kryptonian. DC, make it happen. Recent beatings at Batman's hands were great, but I need more fap material.
I was talking about Bane in Secret Six. He tanked multiple gun fire and he wasn't even on venom at the time.
Originally posted by TrevorPhillipss
Katana, Elektra, Nightwing, Bullseye, Daredevil, Black Canary, Batgirl (Barbara), Deadshot, Batgirl(Cass), Black Widow, Batman, there's probably a few others I'm missing right now. All of these characters have bullet timing feats.
And Spidey's faster because..?
What feats/showings put him above someone that could catch a bullet?
Originally posted by TrevorPhillipssI literally face palmed and had to take a break while reading this
Matt has super senses, doesn't make him any stronger or faster than any other peak human.Elektra has kung fu and telepathy...are you kidding me? She's used her telepathy in one series, and neither her martial art skill which isn't even that great to begin with, or telepathy correlate to her speed and reflexes which is in question here.
Natasha is on the SSS Jr...good for her, doesn't make her any stronger or faster than a peak human, especially since Bucky, another peak human beat her ass
How does it not make sense? The bullet fired, it was inches from her face and she dodged, that's all there is to it.
Matt is able to react faster than any normal human. Thus he is super human.
I'm just going to assume your mad on the Elektra side.
Good to know in your mind all the painfully super humans Bucky beats are at best Peak human.
Cass can't see or hear the round, she dodges still. Pis
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I literally face palmed and had to take a break while reading thisMatt is able to react faster than any normal human. Thus he is super human.
I'm just going to assume your mad on the Elektra side.
Good to know in your mind all the painfully super humans Bucky beats are at best Peak human.
Cass can't see or hear the round, she dodges still. Pis
The only person you should facepalm at is yourself
ALL of the characters here can react faster than any normal human. It doesn't make them superhuman.
I'm not sure what you mean by I'm mad on the Elektra side, you said her knowing Kung Fu and having telepathy that she rarely uses makes her superhuman, you were wrong.
How many of those superhuman characters that Bucky beat have a decent amount of skill? One of the more notable examples was 50's Cap who was stronger and faster than Cap but had no skill.
Black Widow is a relatively skilled combatant, if she was superhuman her stats in combination with her skill should of beaten or at least held her own against Bucky, neither happened.
Cassandra can hear the rifle fire and probably hear the bullet coming at her, she dodged it, and if that's still too complicated here's another one, http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/CassandraCainBulletDodge_6016.jpg
end of story, now stfu
I also like you failed to acknowledge the other 5 or 6 characters that are in the peak human range and have bullet timed, your entire argument is a flop
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Really are you stupid or are you actively trolling?
Being able to do things normal humans can't do is LITERALLY superhuman.
I never put an &, but her knowing what someone is going to do before they do it fives her superhuman reaction time.
Bucky is peak human with a super human aspect and is nearly as skilled as Cap, please tell me how losing to him makes Natasha not superhuman. Please keep in mind Bucky has punked Wolverine aswell.
most hunting rifles are supersonic, ie the bullets travel faster than soundwave. As for the scan, it would be impressive if she wasn't able to react with her muscle reading.
I know you want me to stop because your just burying yourself a deeper hole, but I'm not.
I'd acknowledge these bullet time scans when you post them, because the other scans are painfully not what your representing them as.
Originally posted by pym-ftwI don't even....
Really are you stupid or are you actively trolling?
Originally posted by pym-ftwALL of these characters can do things normal humans can do. Normal humans can't kick down a steel door, normal humans can't jump 20 feet in the air, normal humans can't do any of the feats that these characters can do.
Being able to do things normal humans can't do is LITERALLY superhuman.
By your idiot logic ALL of the characters listed would be superhuman.
We're only talking about PHYSICAL STATS in which all characters listed are in the peak human range
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I never put an &, but her knowing what someone is going to do before they do it fives her superhuman reaction time.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Bucky is peak human with a super human aspect and is nearly as skilled as Cap, please tell me how losing to him makes Natasha not superhuman. Please keep in mind Bucky has punked Wolverine aswell.
Bucky has never beaten Wolverine in a legit fight, what a terrible comparison.
Is Black Widow stronger than a peak human? NO
Is Black Widow faster than a peak human? NO
Therefore she isn't superhuman at least from a stat perspective
Originally posted by pym-ftw
most hunting rifles are supersonic, ie the bullets travel faster than soundwave. As for the scan, it would be impressive if she wasn't able to react with her muscle reading.
Irrelevant, she has dozens of feats to warrant being able to dodge a sniper round inches from her face
The bullet are already out of the chamber inches from her face. All the move reading or body language means jack if you don't have the speed to move out of the way.
Originally posted by pym-ftwOn the contrary I want to see what asinine post you come up with next.
I know you want me to stop because your just burying yourself a deeper hole, but I'm not.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I'd acknowledge these bullet time scans when you post them, because the other scans are painfully not what your representing them as.
I already have, I showed Bullseye, I showed two with Cassandra, I showed Katana deflecting gun fire from two gatling guns, I showed Deadshot dodging a sniper round inches from her face.
You may think it's easier for you to sink into delusion when you're clearly on the losing side of this argument, but trust me it's better to cut your losses.
Ok here we go again,
Daredevil has super human reaction time because he is warned earlier than normal comic book peak humans.
Do even remember your argument at this point? You said Elektra is a bullet timer not me...
Natasha is physically stronger than a peak woman her size. She is also faster & more agile than most peak human. I mean you don't think Batman & KP have equal stats just because they are peak humans.
Congrats on missing the point 👆 she dodged a bullet she couldn't possibly hear or see... That is Pis.
Lulz salty
Shielding yourself isn't bullet time. Bullseye painfully obviously didn't bullet time he just deflected it with his handcuffs, its like his power. Deadshot in the first scene in the scan starts dodging when he hears the rifle chamber a round.
That's not reaction time, that's telegraphing, By this logic any telepath would have superhuman reaction time solely because they could tell when someone was about to shoot, that's false.
I did say Elektra is a bullet timer, which is absolutely true. Even if she was using telepathy to tell when someone was going to shoot she'd still need to have sufficient speed to move out of the way.
Black Widow isn't faster or more agile than most peak humans, I'm not sure who KP is.
Batman and Nightwing are both peak humans and both have better physical stats and feats than Black Widow does, that's not even debatable
i didn't miss your point, you were just wrong...again...she could of easily have heard the gun fire and the bullet coming. It's not PIS simply because you want it to be.
Shielding yourself isn't bullet timing, I agree. None of the characters I name shielded themselves from bullets.
Bullseye doesn't have a telegraphing style ability, the only way for him to deflect a bullet off his hand cuffs would of been for him to be fast enough to see the individual bullet and position the hand cuffs.
You're also wrong about Deadshot
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67965/1437194-deadshot_evades_snipershot.jpg
The round clearly heading toward his noggin in the first panel, inches from his head and he moves out of the way.
Your sinking further and further into delusion
For everyone in your arguments.
#1) you said they can bullet time.
#2) I said they can dodge earlier because of a legitimate power.
#3) your saying their powers have nothing to do with it... With no proof.
KP= Kingpin
I literally explained why Cass couldn't hear it.
katana was shielding herself.
So what do you believe the sound effect in the first panel of the Deadshot scan is? Talk about me ignoring something because it hurts my argument...
And back to topic none of these guys are dancing through automatic fire, or catching shrapnel bare handed nor are we even arguing Bane.
1. Because they can
2. Even with powers, telepathy, senses etc, you need enough speed to dodge bullets after they're fired.
3. I don't need proof, that's common sense, Elektra's telepathy nor Daredevil's senses increase their physical speed and reaction time.
Katana was deflecting gun fire with her sword, she needed to be fast enough to block every individual bullet.
By your logic, Katana would of been standing there with her sword in front of her face, without moving it, that's clearly not the case.
You can't hold your sword in one spot and deflect gun fire from two gatling guns, the spread would be too large and you would get shot.
The sound effect is irrelevant, we know for a fact that the bullet was inches from Deadshot's face and was approaching the side of his head, he didn't move until the next panel.
Back to the topic? You brought it up, now that you're on the losing side of the argument you're trying to change the subject now.
Concession accepted.
God your pathetic,
YOU said they are dodging because of speed I'm telling you the speed is handicapped because they get a headstart.
Your making assumptions, and trying to use real world applications of spread,when it doesn't matter when we see them impact her swords in a tight grouping.
Or you know artistic liberties were taken because his whole body has chances position in relation to the shooter unless he also spun around while dodging.
I'm saying get back on topic because nowhere in your spam have you posted anything on Danny's level; ie they aren't important.
Originally posted by Golgo13
He's skilled enough that both Batman and Deathstroke have said he's a danger to them in both hth skills and a tactical genius.
True but Batman still> him in fighting skill, and it's the Iron freaking fist were talking here. His skill is pretty much at the top of the food chain.
Originally posted by pym-ftwNamed after one of the most intelligent Marvel characters, one of the least intelligent posters...the irony is staggering
God your pathetic,YOU said they are dodging because of speed I'm telling you the speed is handicapped because they get a headstart.
Your making assumptions, and trying to use real world applications of spread,when it doesn't matter when we see them impact her swords in a tight grouping.
Or you know artistic liberties were taken because his whole body has chances position in relation to the shooter unless he also spun around while dodging.
I'm saying get back on topic because nowhere in your spam have you posted anything on Danny's level; ie they aren't important.
Their speed is handicapped because they get a head start? Not true, no matter how good your precognition is you still need to have enough speed to either move out of the way or block or deflect the freaking gun fire.
I'm not making assumptions, that's literally what's happening in the scan. It isn't a tight grouping either, she's protecting Geo Force and Metamorpho, how tight a grouping is it when you're defending 3 people?
Here let me give you a more simple example.
In this scan Katana is holding her sword in a STATIONARY POSITION
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/Blockingbullets-1.jpg
In the scan with the Gatling guns she's CLEARLY continuously re positioning her sword to deflect each bullet.
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/Blockingbulletsagain.jpg
Artistic liberties...you keep insisting that he moved prior to the bullet being shot, that obviously isn't true, once again the bullet is heading to the side of his head, in trajectory inches from his face, you've been proven wrong again
Now you're calling it spam? Need I remind you that YOU were the one that asked for peak humans that were bullet timers, now that you're clearly on the losing side you're trying to find any pathetic reason to cop out and hide behind mommy's skirt.
At least you finally STFU about Black Widow and Cassandra, here's hoping you learned something.
Okay your not getting it, and honestly your not important enough to keep drilling it into your head that that isn't bullet dodging.
Not a single bullet was heading for her partners, she is correcting her stance because of the recoil of being shot.
Are you serious? You posted that you could name peak humans who could compete with Danny's Speed, you still haven't. That is spam.
I'd argue all your points but its asinine to get this far off topic with you. Good night.
