Originally posted by turkinman73
So at like 11.8 miles long its a Sitting target its to big.
... it's size means it has massive engines, meaning massive power for shields *and* weapons.
Being a big target hardly matters too much if it can ignore most levels of firepower.
Also? There's quite a number of them. Almost as many as the Federation has Galaxy-class ships.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Because it completely destroyed the idea of the Q as unknowable aliens and turned them into squabbling morons. Because godlike beings got snuck up on and held hostage by humans.
....? Q's spent entire episodes on pranks before. They were never the most dignified uber beings around.
And considering the methods, and that, again, Riker was granted Q powers before so we know they can boost mortals hella high even *without* stuff that's advanced even by Q standards, I don't see that as a deal breaker.
If this was the case then the show should have made it clear.
It did make it clear that everything there, weapons included, were metaphors translated by main-Q.
On a related note, there's a spinoff universe based purely on TOS Canon called Star Fleet Battles, which is much stronger conventionally (TOS ships fought at warp speeds. Constantly), though fewer in number, and has way less energy beings.
Originally posted by turkinman73
Does any no if there is an Actual Star Trek vs Star Was Game.
That'd be awesome, but also license hell, no way someone would be able to buy the rights to both *and* get both owners to sign off on it.
Originally posted by NephthysHow uncouth.
Couldn't comprehend, but could pick up and point at people apparently. 🙄
Human weaponry being used as a metaphor for cosmic forces is an honored tradition dating back to mythology you stupid cow.
Like how Surtur in Marvel wields a sword that is also the concentrated power of a galaxy, or how Lucifer and Michael in Lucifer manfight wielding swords.
**** you.
Sounds gay as balls.
Originally posted by Q99
....? Q's spent entire episodes on pranks before. They were never the most dignified uber beings around.And considering the methods, and that, again, Riker was granted Q powers before so we know they can boost mortals hella high even *without* stuff that's advanced even by Q standards, I don't see that as a deal breaker.
So what? The concept of the Q is still that they are evolved past our imagining and on a completely different level. That they think in ways beyond our comprehension. You're the one pointing out that everything in the Continuum was just metaphors for things mortals cannot understand. Yet in the episode Q gets 'shot' and Janeway patches up his wound. You know, from the guns which can destroy solar systems according to you.
It was never said that Q was boosting them. All you're saying is 'well maybe'.
Originally posted by Q99
It did make it clear that everything there, weapons included, were metaphors translated by main-Q.
You're extrapolating that into Q giving all the Voyager cast superspeed and anti-Q shields.
Q shouldn't have needed Voyager's help at all. He could create entire armies if he wanted people to point some guns at people.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So what? The concept of the Q is still that they are evolved past our imagining and on a completely different level. That they think in ways beyond our comprehension. You're the one pointing out that everything in the Continuum was just metaphors for things mortals cannot understand. Yet in the episode Q gets 'shot' and Janeway patches up his wound. You know, from the guns which can destroy solar systems according to you.It was never said that Q was boosting them. All you're saying is 'well maybe'.
No, I'm saying things were explicitly not what they looked like.
Also, 'guns which can destroy solar systems' is something of an understatement.
It's 'guns which, as a side-effect due to it's effects on subspace, cause stars no where near them or their targets, in fact in a different dimension, to go supernova.'
You're extrapolating that into Q giving all the Voyager cast superspeed and anti-Q shields.
Something which Q has done before.
It's not, like, crazy speculation of a new ability. It's a question of whether or not it provided known, previously used abilities.
Or, alternatively, since Qs seem at times to get their power *from* the Continuum, perhaps simply being there provides power to an extent.
Hmmmmm..... it also strikes me, the guns specifically affect subspace. Subspace is what provides, like, warp travel and such, subspace phasing, and a bunch of other stuff. Them providing speed doesn't sound too crazy.
Or something else. Really, the specifics don't matter.
If you see a human going toe-to-toe with Superman and wearing a fancy piece of gear, you don't assume that Superman's suddenly weak, the simplest explanation is that thing's doing it, even if it is not spelled out how or what precisely it does. If you see Captain America arm-wrestling Hulk and wearing a bizarre hat, you blame the bizarre hat. If you see Reed Richards make Galactus back off with a weird object, you assume the weird object is awesome (note: this has happened). If you see a random stormtrooper pushing Kyle Katarn back in a fight and wearing a glowy amulet, you blame the amulet.
Likewise, if you see someone threatening a cosmic energy being and holding a piece of tech of said cosmic energy beings with unknown precise properties... well, there's a conclusion which is simpler than the others.
Q shouldn't have needed Voyager's help at all. He could create entire armies if he wanted people to point some guns at people.
Honestly? Sure. Q's created life before. I mean, one could argue that perhaps the Qs on each side were counteracting the others from doing so, if one really desired a Watsonian reason.
The true Doylist reason was it was purely an excuse to get the Voy's crew involved.
None of which, of course, changes the fact that Q and their weapons are crazy, crazy powerful.