The most powerful sith rituals?

It blunted the jedi. That's it. Whereas Vitiate's ritual killed millions, stripped the planet of the force, and became immortal.

Calling something "unprecedented" or "galaxy wide" doesn't automatically grant it a #1 rank.

Originally posted by psmith81992
It blunted the jedi. That's it. Whereas Vitiate's ritual killed millions, stripped the planet of the force, and became immortal.

Calling something "unprecedented" or "galaxy wide" doesn't automatically grant it a #1 rank.

Vitiate's ritual also involved hundreds or thousands of Sith Lord participants, depending on your source, and only affected a single planet.

Plagueis and Sidious manipulated the Force on a cosmological level that affected the entire galaxy.

If it's down to destructive planetary manipulation, then Nihilus trumps Vitiate and Palpatine both.

Either way, bro, Vitiate's not #1 here. 😬

Though Nihilus didn't use a ritual.

Also, Vitiate using 8,000 Sith Lords in his ritual doesn't detract from the power of the ritual. In fact, logically speaking 8000 Sith Lords powering a ritual should make for more power than Sidious and Plagueis. Y'know, if rituals followed logic.

And as with all things Vitiate-related, logic leaps headfirst out the window, given that his power isn't commensurate with a man who drained the power of thousands of Sith Lord and studied the dark side for almost 1.5 millennia.

Bottom line is that Plagueis and Sidious, two lone Sith Lords, managed to orchestrate a cosmological change on the galaxy's binding energy field that was ultimately undone when the same energy field brought into being a cosmic messiah figure to correct it. It spanned decades, blunted Jedi sensitivity on a galactic scale, and was generally a feat of outrageous influence.

(It's also one of the dumbest parts of the Plagueis book.)

In comparison, planetary manipulation is minor league. You can argue Vitiate's planned ritual to one-shot the galactic population all you like, but Nathema (along with Byss and Katarr) is honestly magnitudes inferior.

A change that did not affect anything except blunting the Jedi's senses. That's supposed to be as impressive as draining millions of people and becoming immortal? No.

No, not more impressive.

VASTLY more impressive. 😉

I think you mean 'no, not AS impressive.'

Originally posted by The_Tempest
And as with all things Vitiate-related, logic leaps headfirst out the window, given that his power isn't commensurate with a man who drained the power of thousands of Sith Lord and studied the dark side for almost 1.5 millennia.

Most of it goes to fueling his life and hunger, like Nihilus.

Though yeah, Vitiate really should be far more godlike than he is. He was already a adept of extraordinary power and an unmatched dark side scholar beforehand, give him an extra 1.5 thousand years of training, research + continually increasing power and the energy of everything on Medriaas including 8000 Sith Lords and by all rights he should be contenting with the Ones, not Sidious.

That's what happens when you put the latest Star Wars multimedia project in the hands of crappy writers, Neph.

The majority of TOR is well-written, they just need to step up their game with Vitiate when he makes his inevitable return. So far he's getting upstaged by the Dread Masters, his former gimps.

Or maybe they shouldn't have wanked him out to begin with?

But then who would be an even more awesome Sidious in swtor?

If they bring back Vitiate, they need to make Revan kill him, or the entire KOTOR and novel is pointless.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But then who would be an even more awesome Sidious in swtor?

They should have done something unique. Aping Sidious only reaffirms Sidious's place as the ultimate Star Wars big bad.

in this argument it doesn't matter if there were a bunch of sith involved. Its about the ritual not the person preforming it. Cant believe this turned into a "Well this guy is stronger than that guy" argument... *Shakes his head*