Batman: The Winter Soldier

The OP gave him the same help that Cap got for the movie, where in the movie did Cap use the Bat-tank or wing?

He can take mission 1 easily enough.

No way he is surviving mission 2 or 3 though.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The OP gave him the same help that Cap got for the movie, where in the movie did Cap use the Bat-tank or wing?

Have you heard of the quote function?

Originally posted by ares834
He can take mission 1 easily enough.

No way he is surviving mission 2 or 3 though.

Does he not get his own tech in these missions? If not, then ya he prolly has no chance.

Does Bat make it out of the elevator scene before going to the street and meetup with W.S?

Doubtful.

Originally posted by Supermex
Does Bat make it out of the elevator scene before going to the street and meetup with W.S?

He took on a armed group of thugs surrounding him at the docks with weapons in Batman Begins with ease. Batman was no joke.

Does he have his tech in any of these missions?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Does he not get his own tech in these missions? If not, then ya he prolly has no chance.

Yes he gets his own tech if he has time to prep for it.

He had prep for mission 1.

He didnt have prep in mission 2.. it was a ambush in the elevator and thru the streets. Dont see the Bat-Tank come to play here.

He had prep in mission 3.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He took on a armed group of thugs surrounding him with weapons in Batman Begins with ease. Batman was no joke.

Does he have his tech in any of these missions?

True about that scene in Batman begins, but this elevator has Crossbones in it and how about the magnetic cuffs!

Originally posted by Supermex
True about that scene in Batman begins, but this elevator has Crossbones in it and how about the magnetic cuffs!

If he has his batsuit, most of those blows are not going to hurt, as for the magnetic cuffs, he has gadgets to take those off. The batsuit has has electric current that runs through it that will mess you up if he wants it too.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
If he has his batsuit, most of those blows are not going to hurt, as for the magnetic cuffs, he has gadgets to take those off. The batsuit has has electric current that runs through it that will mess you up if he wants it too.

He does have his Bat suit

Originally posted by Supermex
He does have his Bat suit

I see his prep, gadgets and tech and bat suit playing a big part in all of this giving him the needed tools to take down these missions.

People seem to be under the impression that Batman can even take Batroc. He gave Cap a slight bit of trouble, which translates into him thrashing Bruce.

When Cap quit holding back he thrashed Batroc, plus Bats has his gear such as his tranquilizers and smoke pellets. He can take Batroc.

Originally posted by KingD19
People seem to be under the impression that Batman can even take Batroc. He gave Cap a slight bit of trouble, which translates into him thrashing Bruce.

He only gave him trouble cause cap was not used to that type of crazy fighting style, he adjusted and took him down. Batman is a ninja and used to trashing jumping ninjas that team up on him.

So basically Batman needs all of his resources(tank, jet etc) plus all Cap's in order to even come close to matching Cap's performance?

Don't compare Batroc to a bunch of cannon fodder thugs. Batman couldn't fight Ra's and got completely dominated. Batroc is faster, more agile, and hits harder than Ra's.

Originally posted by KingD19
Don't compare Batroc to a bunch of cannon fodder thugs. Batman couldn't fight Ra's and got completely dominated. Batroc is faster, more agile, and hits harder than Ra's.

But Batman is old, injured and out of shape; surely that has to be an advantage for Bruce, right?

Cap in trouble? Batroc told cap to stop fighting with the shield. Cap obliged. And won like five seconds later...

So basically the argument is... Can batman win a fight against Batroc without his gadgets? Doubtful.

As far as batman replicating the things cap did? Not happening. Fact is cap was displayed in true super soldier form, I mean he lapped falcon three times running a godly amount of miles...

As for the ship... Cap actually almost got taken out if it wasn't for his squad...

Batman vs random goons in the prison scene? Is not the same as cap vs his own top squad of shield agents in the elevator scene. A better scene to compare would be where batman faces off against other ninjas during training...

Staying alive against the winter soldier? Maybe. But I'd put odds against him.

And against three helicarriers? Even that cap had help from falcon... So if we switch out falcon with caps car or other money resources it's more likely....

But his normal walking into a fight with his belt and whatever he only has on him? Doubtful.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So basically Batman needs all of his resources(tank, jet etc) plus all Cap's in order to even come close to matching Cap's performance?

Did you see the movie or the Batman movies ?

What is the point of Batman without his tech?

Who flew cap up to the hellicarrier? If his side kick does the same thing for bat, he does not need his jet. If he gets his jet and tank more power to him. Its his gear, why can't he use his gear?

He's not a super human, so he uses his tech and gear to make him on that level.