MARVELS Strength levels vs what you think they should be

Originally posted by carver9
It really isnt. Black Bolt 25 tons.

Can you please cite your 25 ton claim?

Originally posted by Tony Stark
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Reading isn't your strong suit is it? Namor fully hydrated on the surface is 100 tons. YES, Ulik has ALWAYS been 95 tons I don't have access to my books right now but, maybe somebody can throw up a scan of Ulik in the official handbook of the marvel universe vol 2 #13.

Yes, I know that Handbooks have always had Ulik at 95 tons. I'm telling you that it is STUPID and a leftover from the days when Thor was at 95 tons in the handbooks and since Ulik was his equal, he was at that level. So was Juggernaut and other characters, further highlighting how blatantly dumb these stats are.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
A calm merged HULK has never been on par with THOR and Superman you're high. As far as Ben, Jen and Piotr again, I'll go back to your lack of reading prowess have somebody read Ben's feats in his bio to you http://marvel.wikia.com/Benjamin_Grimm_%28Earth-616%29

Not completely equal but close enough to be there peer which puts him well enough into the class 100 category. What am I basing this off? Not off handbooks, but Peter David's 3 dozen issue run on the character where he routinely outperformed Savage Hulk and fought high end opponents like Norvell, Thor, Superman etc.

I'm not going to click a goddamn wiki link. 😐

I however DID forget that this list isn't based on relatively strength but lifting capabilities which makes it much worse as it implies Ulik can only lift 95 tons. Which is retarded because his original purpose of being at that level was due to relative level to Thor. A lot of characters like him and Wonder Man were ranked at 95 because they weren't quite as strong as Hulk/Thor, not that they could only lift 95 tons.

Anyways, it's pretty clear that this list is a worthless mess and only usable as a passing reference and even then, it's not good because anyone who reads comics knows that guys like Ulik, Hyperion, Merged Hulk etc. are way stronger then She-Hulk, Colossus etc. No idea why Zeus is at 90 tons either.

Seems they basically just used all the handbook ratings and the incalculable ones ignored their handbook entries. Meh!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, I know that Handbooks have always had Ulik at 95 tons. I'm telling you that it is STUPID and a leftover from the days when Thor was at 95 tons in the handbooks and since Ulik was his equal, he was at that level. So was Juggernaut and other characters, further highlighting how blatantly dumb these stats are.

Actually in that very first Marvel Handbook when Ulik & Thor were set at 95 tons, Hercules was already 100 tons while Juggernaut was limits unknown. Hulk was 90 at base, in excess of 100 enhanced. Abomination was 100 tons. Hyperion was 90. Subby was 75 in water and 40 being in air for a while. Colossus was 70 and Thing was 85. Nefaria was also listed as unknown but described as possibly exceeding Hulk.

But yes they changed the ratings after that.

Seems like they are rankings for noobs.

Handbook strength level debates are like the flu of KMC. They come around about once a year and infect a percentage of our members, only to be dismissed and/or forgotten until the next wave hits. And we can never quite rid ourselves of it, because each new debate mutates slightly from the last.

What I think they should be? Well, right off the bat, I don't think "normal" should mean being able to "lift" (this usually means pressing overhead) one's own bodyweight. In RL, that takes an exceptional amount of strength (the average, untrained male can usually do about half bodyweight, maybe a bit more).

Also peak human strength, for a weight-trained man about 220 pounds, would be about 330-370 pounds in the military press (a strict press, no jerking or back-bending), not 800 pounds. In RL, the man has yet to be born who can military-press even 600.

That's what I think it should be, for starters. I never liked Marvel's scales.