Sundipped Superman(OWAW) VS THE WORTHY

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You are right, I shouldn't presume to speak for Pr. My bad for that Paul.

Okay:

Yup. It would be fair to assume that since his strength was amped, the rest of his abilities were increased but the same can be said about Worthy Absorbing Man. So I'd like some evidence to support every other attribute for Clark, and it not being just his strength.

SMH, that's a new low even for you.

The Worthy wins this

We got it the last time you said it too.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The first scan implies their powers were enhanced but Creel says it made him smarter and Quicksilver states that they were asgardians possessing their bodies. So, it is contradicted by the characters themselves? Way to go.

The first scan outright says that their powers are enhanced.

facepalm

You're not even making any sense. How does Creel also being smarter and tougher contradict having his other powers being enhanced? He didn't say that he was ONLY smarter.

Yes, all the Worthy were being possessed by the original Worthy, why does that matter?

Originally posted by abhilegend
With the silver of cosmic cube? Way to go Creel. When did he beat Thor one on one in the last decade.

An exception isn't the norm. If he isn't getting overloaded, he would siphon so little of Superman's energy that it would matter little to him.

No, I'm referring to another rematch:

Except that is the latest showing he has of absorbing something that previously overloaded him. It's not Creel doing something outside of his powerset, it's him using his brains to defeat an enemy.

Which goes without saying applies here as he is more intelligent.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But Creel himself said he was smarter and that's it. How do you even augment a power like touching and absorbing the power of something?

Read the scan again:

Creel didn't say that he was ONLY smarter. He just pointed out that it was one of the upgrades. That doesn't mean his absorbing power isn't enhanced. In a LATER issue (As I posted) it's confirmed that his powers are enhanced, not only his intelligence:

Easily. Just like everything else in comics, suspension of disbelief.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And superman would just need to breath loudly to throw him away. You're acting like Superman has never beaten a character like Creel.

So he's just going to absorb a little of superman's energy? Why would that matter?

What good would that do as Creel can simply absorb the proprieties of his freeze breath?

No, not a little. But ENOUGH. A sufficient amount to weaken Clark.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're seriously asking proof that Superman's other powers gets amped when he absorbs [b]solar power?

SMH, that's a new low even for you. [/B]

I'm asking you of evidence that any other superpower besides strength was augmented by him sundipping in OWAW specifically.

You asked for a specific scan of Creel being enhanced despite this clearly being the writer's intention and I complied. Superman doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. 🙂

How can you expect me to be reasonable when you harass me about the most specific of things?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I'm asking you of evidence that any other superpower besides strength was augmented by him sundipping in OWAW specifically].

Well for one He does not emit plasma and his touch and punches usually does not melt things at will 🙂

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Well for one He does not emit plasma and his touch and punches usually does not melt things at will 🙂

So he radiates with energy, that answers my question how? Prove that his durability, speed, and other powers enhanced. Although I hope Abhil considers this to be proof. Because that would mean Creel in his base form being an amalgamation of different elements would also be sufficient evidence of his absorption being augmented. 🙂

Now, don't get me wrong, I think it's obvious that Clark was enhanced across the board and was running on some serious solar juice but I also think it's rather obvious that Creel was amped across the board as well when he was Worthy.

However, I'm only willing to be as reasonable as the person I'm posting with.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So he radiates with energy, that answers my question how?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm asking you of evidence that any other superpower besides strength was augmented by him sundipping in OWAW specifically].

Radiating energy though parts of his body other than his eyes is an indication of "other super powers besides strength being augmented"

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Prove that his durability, speed, and other powers enhanced.

Moving against an inperex/braniac powered full trust of war world engines at super speed is an indication of strength and speed augmentation, don't know if there is any indication of extra invulnerability but I guess that will be a given

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Although I hope Abhil considers this to be proof. Because that would mean Creel in his base form being an amalgamation of different elements would also be sufficient evidence of his absorption being augmented. 🙂

Now, don't get me wrong, I think it's obvious that Clark was enhanced across the board and was running on some serious solar juice but I also think it's rather obvious that Creel was amped across the board as well when he was Worthy.

However, I'm only willing to be as reasonable as the person I'm posting with.

I think the power jump that Superman has in this particular sundip is just to much for even an enhanced creel to absorb.

But that is just my take.

I'll get out of this debate as I have to finish my taxes 😄

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The first scan outright says that their powers are enhanced.

How can you expect me to be reasonable when you harass me about the most specific of things?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes it does. Never said otherwise.

You mean being tougher means he was enhanced in his absorption powers rather than being, you know physically tougher?

😂

Because in every case, it enhanced their physical powers or in your terms made them tougher.

He didn't say he was ONLY tougher either. Not to mention tougher could -and most likely does- refer to an overall upgrade in powers and does not have to literally mean durability. And it was confirmed later on.

Are you saying since the Worthy possessed their hosts, they only amped their physical abilities? I'd like to point to Juggernaut's unstoppability, Attuma's water powers and the Gargoyle's stare?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah, the lethal legion. But it only shows Creel taking a portion of Sentry's powers AFTER getting wrecked by him in Civil War. He has no idea of superman's power levels here.

A portion=/=whole power. So he would come back here after Superman overloads him. Good for him and you.

Good. He can read poems while he is getting disintegrated..

Then it's great that the common knowledge is in play here and Absorbing Man, specifically shown by Worthy Creel, can sense energy sources and their power levels or whatever.

Again and again I've repeated this: I never said Creel is going to absorb the totality of Superman's power. I even specified that he'll only absorb a portion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Their power being enhanced is Creel being tougher and smarter? How does that mean he was enhance in his absorption powers or his capability in absorbing more power than before?

Not in this case though.

For superman to vaporize him and blows him away? Good luck with that. But you're essentially saying that nobody can beat Absorbing Man here.

What would that amount be? You're just speculating here.

Well, for one, we saw that can he absorb multiple elements simultaneously so the idea that only his physical durability was increased is automatically proven false. Most likely, being tougher refers to his powers in totality being enhanced. As confirmed later on.

And then Creel absorbs Superman's heat vision as he tries to blast him. And so on and so forth. His powers aren't complicated. I don't understand why you're having trouble accepting that he absorbs properties of objects.

Half? Who knows. I'm not giving you an exact percentage, I'm saying he'll absorb a portion of Superman's powers to weaken him sufficiently and open him up for a beat down. Which is supported by on panel proof.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously? Why would be sundipping in OWAW is different than all the times he gets powers from the sun?

Ah, I get it. You're being obtuse on purpose.

I don't know, why would Creel becoming a Worthy be any different then all the others who had their main traits enhanced?

Not being obtuse. I realize perfectly what I'm asking is unreasonable. 🙂 However, I'm simply holding Superman to the standards you introduced in this thread.

So again, please post evidence supporting any of his other powers being amped by Sundipping in OWAW please. 🙂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Harass you? LMAO. But tell me one thing, who can beat Creel here via brute power. Thor? King Thor? Rune King Thor? Imperiex? Or can nobody beat him due to him being "tougher"?

You aren't even attempting to hide the strawman arguments anymore. I specifically said Creel will not be defeating Superman by himself and here you're bringing up King Thor and Imperiex? 😂

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Radiating energy though parts of his body other than his eyes is an indication of "other super powers besides strength being augmented"

According to what rule or evidence specified in OWAW?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Moving against an inperex/braniac powered full trust of war world engines at super speed is an indication of strength and speed augmentation, don't know if there is any indication of extra invulnerability but I guess that will be a given

I think the power jump that Superman has in this particular sundip is just to much for even an enhanced creel to absorb.

But that is just my take.

I'll get out of this debate as I have to finish my taxes 😄

That indicates increased strength/power but why is speed and invulnerability a given?

You agree that Creel is enhanced? Okay, then what's the problem? I told you, I acknowledge the clear intent that Superman was powered up across the board. Abhil however refuses to accept the obvious for Absorbing Man, and I'm doing the same with Superman. 🙂

He doesn't have to absorb ALL of Superman's power, just enough of it to weaken him by a noticeable amount and give Creel a huge bump in juice.

The Worthy are too versatile in their powers and too many, I just see the Worthy winning this

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He didn't say he was ONLY tougher either.

Not even remotely what I said. I even pointed out that Creel doesn't have to beat Superman by himself. Please stop with these childish strawman arguments.

Creel had the benefit of a gauge when it came to the Sentry's power by his own admission.

In this fight with Superman, even if you allow Creel an augmentation in his absorption powers, he doesn't have the same advantage.

I think it is reasonable to presune that a Sundipped Superman is significantly more powerful than the Sentry.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah, smarter means him being more powerful. How silly of me. Which confirmed he was tougher?

Any such showings for Creel would be better to show.

No, it confirmed the rest of his powers were more enhanced.

I already posted confirmation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
OWAW Superman's power level aren't general knowledge.

Why wouldn't Superman just start ripping apart worthies with his speed like he did to B13 and let Creel absorb his power? You are suggesting Superman fight like an idiot and worthies fight like they are Batman or something? Not surprising.

Superman being powered by the Sun is. Not to mention Creel can sense powerful energy sources so the idea he'd blindly try and absorb the totality of Superman's power is not true

He can try but unless he starts flying around at the speed of light or something, Creel can and will tag him. You bring up CIS but forget OWAW Superman flew in into every attack of the B13 drones as he was ripping them apart.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has done that before too. So I heard. Any feats in particular?

And gets overloaded.👆 And gets overloaded by people at a certain power level.

Even if he absorbs half of superman's powers Superman would beat the shit out of worthies. You are not comprehending the level this superman plays at. Which scene of Superman getting beaten is you basing this on?

Really, when?

He just has to absorb the properties of heat vision, not Superman's entire energy storage. Again, Creel can simply absorb the properties of an element, he does not need to absorb EVERYTHING.

And then Creel with half of Superman's power will start wailing on him with back up from the other Worthy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who knows? It was significant to the point his opponents were Hank Pym, Justice and Quicksilver. Not a single top tier and Creel couldn't beat them either.

Uh, what? Those guys were getting their ass kicked. Not to mention Creel is a power absorber. As mentioned in that very comic, the more powerful his opponent, the greater their disadvantage.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Tell me again how much power he would absorb to get Superman so weakened that he gets beaten here. But I get it, you are taking a single scenario as the most probable scenario where Superman gets beaten. Why doesn't superman rips every worthy at super speed and overloads Creel after that?

I didn't even say that they win every time or anything, please stop with the misrepresentation of my arguments. I do believe however that the Worthy probably take the majority with the diversity of their powerset.

He can try, sure, I just don't find it very likely. I think Superman flying in trying to rip them into pieces like the B13 drones instead of some super speed strategic barrage is far more likely. So is Absorbing Man trying to drain him as that's literally his main shtick.

Anyways, seeing as how this discussion has gone from trying to deny my points to the likelihood of the scenario and super-speed blitzing crap from Superman, I think this discussion has run it's course. And the same shit being repeated over and over again is getting boring.

But for clarity sake, here's another scene that clearly meant to indicate ONLY his intelligence and such was meant to be amped:

/sarcasm

Also, still waiting on evidence of any other powers aside from strength being amped for Superman in OWAW.

That art work is terrible

"New and improved" Creel? I wonder how many characters have said it.

Oh I forgot, every one of them./sarcasm

Also you are being purposely obtuse here. Not that its anything new.

Originally posted by abhilegend
"New and improved" Creel? I wonder how many characters have said it.

Oh I forgot, every one of them./sarcasm

Also you are being purposely obtuse here. Not that its anything new.

It doesn't matter if every character ever said such a thing and was proven wrong. You're denying Creel's powers being improved and I posted a scan of him further confirming the intention.

Throw in the fact that all the other Worthy had their main attributes augmented and this doubt that you have is counter to what the writers clearly intended.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It doesn't matter if every character ever said such a thing and was proven wrong. You're denying Creel's powers being improved and I posted a scan of him further confirming the intention.

Throw in the fact that all the other Worthy had their main attributes augmented and this doubt that you have is counter to what the writers clearly intended.

And leave these speculations behind. Come defend your boy here.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=254940.40

Or are you too chicken for that like always?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh, he showed no such showings that showcased his improved powers. At best its just a random power up like Iron Man receives every other day. At worst, its nothing.

And leave these speculations behind. Come defend your boy here.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=254940.40

Or are you too chicken for that like always?

I'm not even saying his powers were amped noticeably. I simply pointed out that using his showings like overloading shouldn't really apply here as he's from all indications amped. Not that I'm saying his absorption powers are unlimited.

😬

You're calling me chicken? Lol. I don't think you understand the difference between turning down a challenge and choosing not to post repetitive shit for 3 pages until someone can't handle the boredom.

Well, I replied, but I doubt it's what you wanted.