Rate in strength

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abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Rate in strength

If Superman on average is 100 in strength just before Flashpoint, rate these characters in strength.

1. Byrne Superman (Pre-DOS)
2. Captain Marvel
3. Orion
4. Darkseid
5. Wonder Woman
6. Mon-El
7. Martian Manhunter

Go!

Epicurus True Killer

Darkseid-100
Orion-100
Captain Marvel-100
Mon-El-95
Wonder Woman-90
Martian Manhunter-90
Superman-75

Stoic Avenger

1. Byrne Superman (Pre-DOS) - I never saw the difference, but heard that he was weaker in this era than pre flash. Until proven other wise I give him 100,

2. Captain Marvel - 95

3. Orion - 90

4. Darkseid - 110

5. Wonder Woman - 90

6. Mon-El - 95

7. Martian Manhunter - 85

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Epicurus
Darkseid-100
Orion-100
Captain Marvel-100
Mon-El-95
Wonder Woman-90
Martian Manhunter-90
Superman-75

Even Byrne Superman was stronger than J'onn and Diana and as they have no upgrades since then, I don't think they were stronger than him before Flashpoint.

Also Orion is decisively weaker than Darkseid, both by his admission and direct showings. Darkseid has outmuscled him with one hand.

And Orion has acknowledged it.

And equal to Kalibak in strength as by his admission. You know, Superman's punching bag.

So, no Orion isn't an equal to Superman/Darkseid in strength. He never was.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Stoic
1. Byrne Superman (Pre-DOS) - I never saw the difference, but heard that he was weaker in this era than pre flash. Until proven other wise I give him 100,

2. Captain Marvel - 95

3. Orion - 90

4. Darkseid - 110

5. Wonder Woman - 90

6. Mon-El - 95

7. Martian Manhunter - 85


Yeah, he was weaker. Superman officially got an upgrade after DOS and then another in No Limits under Loeb and another after Infinite Crisis.

And Diana isn't as strong as Orion. Otherwise good ratings.

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dial J for Josh Senior Member

Ahbi I see what you've done here. I'm a guy who likes to please people, so I will give you what you want.

Superman > all.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Ahbi I see what you've done here. I'm a guy who likes to please people, so I will give you what you want.

Superman > all.


That's certainly not what I want. I think Darkseid is generally stronger than Superman.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

And please rate the character based on Captain Marvel's rating as 100 from now on. Remove Superman and Byrne Superman's ratings please.

Q99 Senior Member

Even Byrne Superman was stronger than J'onn and Diana and as they have no upgrades since then,

She got an upgrade after Clayface temporarily absorbed some of her divine clay, and iirc when she came back from being a god she was a bit stronger too (could be wrong on the latter).

And she was able to go toe-to-toe with Infinite Crisis era Superman in Sacrifice and inflict almost as much damage as she took.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Q99
She got an upgrade after Clayface temporarily absorbed some of her divine clay, and iirc when she came back from being a god she was a bit stronger too (could be wrong on the latter).
She only took the clay back and her strength wasn't stated to be higher, only her speed was. And no, her powers weren't upgraded in WW 136.

And she was able to go toe-to-toe with Infinite Crisis era Superman in Sacrifice and inflict almost as much damage as she took.
Not this again. In strength she was totally outclassed with Superman easily overpowering her and taking to the sun, oneshotting her back to earth and snapping her wrist like a twig. You can argue much about Sacrifice, the strength difference you can't. He looked vastly stronger than her there.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by abhilegend
If Superman on average is 100 in strength just before Flashpoint, rate these characters in strength.

1. Byrne Superman (Pre-DOS)
2. Captain Marvel
3. Orion
4. Darkseid
5. Wonder Woman
6. Mon-El
7. Martian Manhunter

Go!

Byrne Supes=80
CM=99
Orion=99
Darkseid=100.5
Dianna=90
Mon-El=96
J'onn=95

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by Galan007
Byrne Supes=80
CM=99
Orion=99
Darkseid=100.5
Dianna=90
Mon-El=96
J'onn=95

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abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
Byrne Supes=80
CM=99
Orion=99
Darkseid=100.5
Dianna=90
Mon-El=96
J'onn=95

They aren't so close in strength. Like here, it takes J'onn and Barda to restrain Orion.

http://i.imgur.com/fpkRpPj.jpg

Or like Weird oneshotting J'onn and then Byrne Superman utterly no selling his punch.

http://i.imgur.com/2OSRxYC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mxvmLfH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xw2BMT5.jpg

Or Doomsday no selling J'onn/Bloodwynd's punch and then Superman literally beating him to death. So, no there is not a single chance that J'onn is literally 20% stronger than Byrne Superman.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Why are you trying to tell me that my purely theoretical list is incorrect? For all you know the orders of magnitude I'm using are vastly different than your own. "1" for me might equate to "10" for you. srsly

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
Why are you trying to tell me that my purely theoretical list is incorrect? For all you know the orders of magnitude I'm using are vastly different than your own. "1" for me might equate to "10" for you. srsly

You could use any system, J'onn isn't stronger than Byrne Superman. Not by such a large margin.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Nah, you're wrong. 👆

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, you're wrong. 👆
Perfect carver logic.👆

Gecko4lif Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Perfect carver logic.👆
#shotsfired

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
#shotsfired

Shut up fattie.

#secondshot

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Byrne Supes = 90 - 95
CM = 99
Orion = 99 - 101
Darkseid = 100.5
Dianna = 90
Mon-E l= 96
J'onn = 95

That's how I'd probably rank them.