Originally posted by Digi
We're gonna get into "most recent vs. body-of-work" argument here, involving outlier showings and averages and all that great stuff. Which is a debate that I don't want to have. I'll just throw the bone that the "...but it's a tough fight" part from my quoted post is an agreement that it could go either way, and that if someone is higher on Simon than me and lower on Apollo, it's a reasonable opinion to see it going the other way. WM is probably the best Marvel matchup for Apollo in terms of matching like to like, so there's very few wrong answers here (outside of "stomps" either way and similarly polarized nonsense).
Well, what's your reasoning for Apollo winning? Specifically this incarnation?
IIRC last year he had a bit of a peak where he got some lip-service being on par with Superman or whatever but compared to the push Simon had, Apollo might as well be a quadriplegic.
If we want to discuss body of work, why would classic Apollo win? I mean, both are considered to be below the elite beings for the majority of their career but their have been periods of time where Simon has gotten pushes where he's right up there with guys like Thor/Hulk etc. which I don't think I've ever seen from Apollo. A running theme of Wonder Man's has been that it's his own mental hangups that hold him back from accessing his true power or whatever (The reasons for his various fluctuations). The implication that he has the power and just lacks the confidence in itself elevates him above Apollo personally. Maybe it's just my own ignorance, but I don't think I've heard the same being said for Apollo.
Originally posted by Bentley
Thor has the high feats to back up his sh*t. Not even Wonderman has the "going all out" quality that Thor has shown at his best. As for Average Thor it seems Digi already preferred Apollo mmm
Lol.
Apollo would be lucky to beat young Thor. And that's if he doesn't use lightning to f*ck up his solar charge.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Apollo would be lucky to beat young Thor. And that's if he doesn't use lightning to f*ck up his solar charge.
Even Young Thor has "going all out" abilities when compared with the likes of... Red Hulk. Do you think a non-absorbing Rulk has a snowball's chance in hell against Thor?
Originally posted by Bentley
Even Young Thor has "going all out" abilities when compared with the likes of... Red Hulk. Do you think a non-absorbing Rulk has a snowball's chance in hell against Thor?
Well, yea.
You're diminishing Rulk, in a thread with Apollo of all people, because what, he can't compare to a high end Thor kicking it up a notch against Angrir?
That MIGHT be a good argument if this was a thread involving Hulk or Superman but Apollo? He might as well be cannon fodder that Thor one-shots to fight the big bad when we use high end incarnations.
Put simply, Rulk was shown to be as strong and easily as durable (Even outright said to be tougher then Green Hulk) as Thor in the Infinity Gems saga. That alone elevates him to a level where Apollo gets broken in half. Then, under that same writer, Wonder Man chumps him. And to top it all off, Rulk is shown stalemating Thor in an arm wrestling contest and said to be as strong as Hulk very soon after (While not conclusive, it's clear he didn't suddenly drop a tier or anything). While I clearly doubt, he'd treat Thor/Hulk the same way, much less at the levels in their respective titles, as far as Apollo is concerned, Wonder Man as he was then was far out of his league.
