Canderous versus Obi-Wan Kenobi

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I am so confused right now it's incredible.

K Let's do this:

1. Canderous did well against Darth Nihilus, despite not having any innate defense against the Force whatsoever.
2. The above is false, because Nihilus quickly froze Canderous.
3. Nihilus then became weaker by attempting to feed from the Exile, who is a Wound. This in turn made Nihilus weaker.
4. Cue gameplay battle, which has only the most nebulous affect on canon (since we can't confirm what specifically took place during). For all we know, Mandalore fired helplessly while Visas and Meetra dueled Nihilus to death.
5. Therefore, we cannot properly give him "props" for this battle because he had pretty much no utility during it. At least, nothing that can be actually measured.

/there.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The moral of the story is that you're an idiot. 😐

No, but he's basically calling you out on your strawman in the TOR/KOTOR teams thread regarding Canderous's survival against Nihilus.

Ant's argument was not actually a strawman. She simply made the mistake of misrepresenting a feat without context. Strawman would imply that she instead misrepresented my argument, which is not the case.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I am so confused right now it's incredible.

This the message:

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Canderous' survival feat against Nihilus requires context. When that context is not present, and the same feat is used without it, the argument becomes weaker.

For example, in this thread there's nothing to prevent Kenobi from flattening Mandalore against a wall, tearing out an implant, shifting his medulla oblongata or whatever because he has TK. And Kenobi is nowhere near as impressive as HoT or Scourge.

Nothing personal between you and me but you don't make sense very often specially in threads that do not involve your personal favorites.

You debate only in favor of your favorites without realizing how absurd your debating tactics may be, not put things in proper context as they should be. In contrast, Neph, SM, me and some others try to be consistent in our responses and debate in favor of any character as per merit.

This you need to understand. Sooner, better.

You debate only in favor of your favorites

Also, it was him and Temp debating Canderous, not me.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=594265&pagenumber=1 re-read the damn thread.
I swear, how many dumbasses are needed to realize something?
Current Tally: 4

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I LOL'ed.
Neph: The guy who puts the Hero with Yoda.
Stealth Moose: Self explanatory
SWL: The guy who puts Vitiate above everyone else.
😂

I don't put Sith Emperor above everybody else due to my favoritism of the character, canon information exists which implies as such. If this canon information gets challenged in explicit fashion in the future content, fair enough for me. However, don't expect this soon or in explicit fashion because Bioware isn't going to take dictations or change its stance easily.

I gave you a thousand quotes for Palpatine, and you ignore then, then refuse to believe it's in a limited point of view because of your mere fanboyism. Also once again, this:

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Also, it was him and Temp debating Canderous, not me.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=594265&pagenumber=1 re-read the damn thread.
I swear, how many dumbasses are needed to realize something?
Current Tally: 4

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Also, it was him and Temp debating Canderous, not me.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=594265&pagenumber=1 re-read the damn thread.
I swear, how many dumbasses are needed to realize something?
Current Tally: 4

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, they survived the assault on the Dark Temple, they're not going out that easy.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Canderous survived against Nihilus, and HK survives everything. They are going out easy.

As if HK and Canderous don't have heavy repeating blasters and extremely tough armor.

He would last long enough for aid.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Nihilus Force froze Canderous while fail-nom'ing Meetra. Pretty sure he didn't "survive" Nihilus anymore than T3 "survived" Vitiate.

However, heavy repeaters might be good for covering fire, but Scourge isn't a complete noob. He's got the most experience of any single fighter here, and is a certified badass by all rights. HoT and he pretty much make team two a contender. Revan is the only win card on his team.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Er... T3 was blown to smithereens; Canderous walked out alive. Does the presence of quotation marks around a word radically alter its definition?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

Derp. Canderous only survived because Nihilus weakened himself by trying to nom the Exile. Otherwise, Nihilus effectively neutralized the entire boarding party - including Canderous - with a gesture.

Learn 2 Pay Attention.

Way to go, slinging out insults.

^ You responded to Neph, using Canderous' "survival" of Nihilus as a feat. I checked you on it, because it lacked context. Temp white-knighted you just to troll me, because he is jealous of my manhoodintellect.

The point is that you made the faulty argument in the first place, and I called you on it. I didn't call you an idiot though; that honor goes to SWL and Newguy.

What I said was true.
He did survive against Nihilus.
Don't really get your point, just that I'm glad I chose Neph over you in marriage.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What I said was true.
He did survive against Nihilus.
Don't really get your point, just that I'm glad I chose Neph over you in marriage.

But it doesn't mean anything in the debate.

You can't measure his contribution, if any, because the entire fight is gameplay mechanics, which are N-canon.

You can't say he did anything before Nihilus was severely weakened, because Nihilus immediately froze him with the Force.

You can't say he's any good at killing super badass Sith because the fight doesn't offer any viable evidence.

If simply being there and "surviving" because of the benefit of others is a feat, suddenly C3P0 can solo stormtroopers because he survived the battle of the forest moon of Endor.

Got it now?

The point was he survived. Did I say it was a feat in terms of abilities? No.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Ant's argument was not actually a strawman. She simply made the mistake of misrepresenting a feat without context. Strawman would imply that she instead misrepresented my argument, which is not the case.

She? 😆

Yeah, I just couldn't think of another word to define his fallacy.

who caaaaaaaares about this?

Okay, I'm adding two more points to the dumbass meter: 6
+1 point for calling me a "she"
+1 point to think saying Ordo survived Nihilus as my argument

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The point was he survived. Did I say it was a feat in terms of abilities? No.

The context in which you used it implied it was. Otherwise...

Spoiler:
Why bring it up?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Okay, I'm adding two more points to the dumbass meter: 6
+1 point for calling me a "she"
+1 point to think saying Ordo survived Nihilus as my argument

You still have "female" set as your gender.

+1 for another dumbass point.

To show alongside HK they have a track record of surviving circumstances, even if it means getting frozen and hanging in the background.

I accept yours and SWL's concession.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You still have "female" set as your gender.

Originally posted by Nephthys
who caaaaaaaares about this?

It's almost six PM, so my interest will taper down to "non-existent" in a short amount of time.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Okay, I'm adding two more points to the dumbass meter: 6
+1 point for calling me a "she"
+1 point to think saying Ordo survived Nihilus as my argument

Well, you said Neph wears the pants. Given that he is the girliest man in the UK, I had to assume you were either halfway through your surgery or confused.

Also, yes, yes, it was your argument. I reread and requoted the thread. Keep squirming.

I am pretty sure I saw someone girlier than me. Once.

It was like looking at Sasquatch.