Revan versus Qui-Gon Jinn

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Let me get this straight: SM and I were kidding.

Revan is FAR MORE POWERFUL then Qui-Gon Jinn and would utterly demolish him. This isn't a fair contest.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Is this a joke. Jinn stomps.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
This is a spite thread. Revan's force feats vastly supercede Qui-Gon's, and he is likely his equal in swordsmanship. Revan stomps.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Let me play PT Advocate:

- Qui-Gon Jinn did really well against Maul. Random novelisation which cites fighting events which did not at all take place in the final film here.
- Qui-Gon Jinn was equal to Mace according to C-canon RPG sourcebook excerpt from like ten years ago.
- Qui-Gon Jinn is really really strong, because he backhanded Maul.
- Qui-Gon Jinn has moar feats somehow, because film.
- Qui-Gon Jinn wins because he does; Revan is somehow inferior.

👆

I would say prime Jinn could beat Revan in dueling due to his lack of feats but you are right when you say that Revan wins via the force. It is in no way a stomp though.

Even though Revan murdered Darth Nyriss with just the Force.

K.

Jinn is more powerful than Nyriss though.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Even though Revan murdered Darth Nyriss with just the Force.

K.

You also forgot to say " Qui-gon jinn trained Yoda as a Force Ghost, Trained Obi-Wan and was trained by Count Dooku so Jinn intsapwns Revan" because somehow that's relevant

I'm saying that Nyriss was less powerful dueling wise then Jinn as is Revan but that Revan outstrips him in the force and Nyriss is comparable or even supersedes Jinn there also which lets Revan take the win. He does not stomp though. -_-

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Jinn is more powerful than Nyriss though.

No. No, he's not.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I'm saying that Nyriss was less powerful dueling wise then Jinn as is Revan but that Revan outstrips him in the force and Nyriss is comparable or even supersedes Jinn there also which lets Revan take the win. He does not stomp though. -_-

Nyriss outdueled Meetra and Scourge, IIRC, at the same time. They are not comparable.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
You also forgot to say " Qui-gon jinn trained Yoda as a Force Ghost, Trained Obi-Wan and was trained by Count Dooku so Jinn intsapwns Revan" because somehow that's relevant

Force ghost > everything.

Jinn would beat Scourge and Meetra tho

Scourge at that time was practically featless and Meetra never defeated anybody of particular note as she defeated a weak duelist through Dun Moch had invulnerability to Nihilus's strongest power and one of his only ones to be honest and defeated a crazy old lady that could manipulate 3 Lightsaber's. Not impressive.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Scourge at that time was practically featless and Meetra never defeated anybody of particular note as she defeated a weak duelist through Dun Moch had invulnerability to Nihilus's strongest power and one of his only ones to be honest and defeated a crazy old lady that could manipulate 3 Lightsaber's. Not impressive.

I like you Intrep. 🙂

Meetra was skilled enough to copy lightsaber forms just by watching others use them. Shes a highly skilled duelist who defeated an entire temple of Sith on an immensely powerful darkside nexus.

I like myself too.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Meetra was skilled enough to copy lightsaber forms just by watching others use them. Shes a highly skilled duelist who defeated an entire temple of Sith on an immensely powerful darkside nexus.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I like myself too.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I would say prime Jinn could beat Revan in dueling due to his lack of feats but you are right when you say that Revan wins via the force. It is in no way a stomp though.

Now before you come up with the assumption that Jinn is possibly superior duelist, WRONG. Effectiveness in lightsaber dueling is not a detached development from mastery in the Force, Revan would utterly outclass Jinn in all aspects of combat.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Jinn is more powerful than Nyriss though.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I'm saying that Nyriss was less powerful dueling wise then Jinn as is Revan but that Revan outstrips him in the force and Nyriss is comparable or even supersedes Jinn there also which lets Revan take the win. He does not stomp though. -_-

Revan WTFpwned Nyriss, Qui-Gon doesn't even registers in his radar.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Jinn would beat Scourge and Meetra tho

Jinn might put up some fight against them he is not superior. Meetra is a powerful Jedi in canon, apparently a master swordsman as well and have vastly superior combat record under her belt then Qui-Gon. She isn't someone who should be underestimated based on outcome of one of her duels.

Scourge was almost as strong as Meetra when he met her but had edge in swordsmanship. Scourge was also a battle-hardened warrior during this time and came to notice of Emperor Vitiate himself for his accomplishments which is REALLY BIG DEVELOPMENT for any individual. Later on, Scourge became much more powerful with Emperor Vitiate's support and apparently rivaled the Sith finest in galactic history at his prime.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Scourge at that time was practically featless and Meetra never defeated anybody of particular note as she defeated a weak duelist through Dun Moch had invulnerability to Nihilus's strongest power and one of his only ones to be honest and defeated a crazy old lady that could manipulate 3 Lightsaber's. Not impressive.

For Scourge, see my explanation above.

For Meetra, her combat record his among the most impressive in the mythos (like this or not). Her victory is perhaps a product of circumstances against Nihilus but she did well against Sion and Traya, both of whom are not mooks. Traya, in particular, was a powerful Force-user. Meetra herself is a powerful Jedi in canon.

I was trolling, obviously this is a slaughter by Revan.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Jinn has no chance against Revan under fair circumstances. Heck, doubtful even in circumstances stacked in his favor. Power gap is simply too enormous.

He does have a chance if he speed blitz or gets in close but I believe Revan would not allow that to happen.

Now before you come up with the assumption that Jinn is possibly superior duelist, WRONG. Effectiveness in lightsaber dueling is not a detached development from mastery in the Force, Revan would utterly outclass Jinn in all aspects of combat.

The force enhances your reflexes and abilities but training and the shape your in have a greater affect on your dueling ability and Revan has not proved he is able to duel on Jinn's level so no he loses in the combat aspect.

You are overreaching here, Nyriss is also on a different league in comparison to Jinn. Nyriss outdueled two master swordsmen simultaneously while Jinn couldn't do well against one.

Did these swordsman happen to have names or feats? :3 Also Jinn managed to keep up with a much younger and more fit Maul when he was far from his prime before falling and since I ASSUME we are using prime Jinn then yes I believe Jinn would do better and beat both Revan and Nyriss in a purely Lightsaber duel.

It is a STOMP to be honest, Revan may just choke him to death. Power gap is this damn big.

When has he canonically use force choke?

Revan WTFpwned Nyriss, Qui-Gon doesn't even registers in his radar.

He actually redirected her lightning back at her and she was too surprised to block it in my opinion. Also even if he had why would this make him have a greater chance against Jinn?

Once again, an overreaching assumption.

What is?

Jinn might put up some fight against them he is not superior. Meetra is a powerful Jedi in canon, apparently a master swordsman as well and have vastly superior combat record under her belt then Qui-Gon. She isn't someone who should be underestimated based on outcome of one of her duels.

Apparently she shouldn't be overestimated because of statements made by a force crazy old lady either.

Scourge was almost as strong as Meetra when he met her but had edge in swordsmanship. Scourge was also a battle-hardened warrior during this time and came to notice of Emperor Vitiate himself for his accomplishments which is REALLY BIG DEVELOPMENT for any individual. Later on, Scourge became much more powerful with Emperor Vitiate's support and seemingly rivaled the Sith finest in galactic history at his prime.

But at the time was he that powerful? And does he have any feats rather then the baseless assumptions of other individuals you are stating?

Now this is an act of lowballing these characters without any homework on your part.

What is?

For Scourge, see my explanation above.

For Meetra, her combat record his among the most impressive in the mythos (like this or not). Her victory is perhaps a product of circumstances against Nihilus but she did well against Sion and Traya, both of whom are not mooks. Traya, in particular, was a powerful Force-user. Meetra herself is a powerful Jedi in canon.

Sion IS a mook. It is circumstances against Nihilus and her victory against Treya was respectable though Kreya was a crazy old lady that doesn't have many canon feats. What demonstrated that Meetra was overtly powerful in canon?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I was trolling, obviously this is a slaughter by Revan.

Not really though he wins a respectable majority.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Not really though he wins a respectable majority.