Originally posted by One-Punch
Also when did Caiera have access to her entire planet Old Power when [b]she was alive? Give a reference. [/B]
Well....her most recent version to my knowledge (something else could have happened that I don't know) was post planet hulk when she did have full control of the planet and didn't need a body. Just saying 😉
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Well....her most recent version to my knowledge (something else could have happened that I don't know) was post planet hulk when she did have full control of the planet and didn't need a body. Just saying 😉
That's after her death. When did she have access to that power when she was alive?
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Well....her most recent version to my knowledge (something else could have happened that I don't know) was post planet hulk when she did have full control of the planet and didn't need a body. Just saying 😉
Exactly. All of the Oldstrong were one with the planet that they walked, and could even feel or communicate on some level with those planets. She could do a variety of things with the Old Power to the point of helping a planet heal. Like I said from the get go though, I wouldn't give either of these girls a majority.
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Doesn't matter, after her "death" she was still able to talk, fight, and die again. Sooo that counts unless stated otherwise
No even while she was alive, she had that kind of power. If anyone needs more clarity on how powerful an Old Strong is, just look at her sons. All Oldstrong were said to have been able to do the same thing with this power.
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Doesn't matter, after her "death" she was still able to talk, fight, and die again. Sooo that counts unless stated otherwise
Originally posted by Stoic
No even while she was alive, she had that kind of power. If anyone needs more clarity on how powerful an Old Strong is, just look at her sons. All Oldstrong were said to have been able to do the same thing with this power.
Well she was blatantly more powerful after her initial death, that much is obvious. Weather by mental blocks or lack of training, after wwhulk arc she showed much more power and control than during it.
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Well she was blatantly more powerful after her initial death, that much is obvious. Weather by mental blocks or lack of training, after wwhulk arc she showed much more power and control than during it.
More like restraint. We see how powerful Hiro Kala had become. This guy hijacked the Enigma Force. I agree though, she does appear to become far more powerful after she dies. I think that it was restraint though.
Originally posted by One-PunchAnother example, the oldstrong in Hulk's posse didn't show that level of power either, nor the level of Hiro kala. He only showed a glimspe right before he died.
Before her death she didn't have access to her ancestors' Old Power, after her death she did, hence why she was more powerful in death. But she did give Skaar full access to this power, and Surfer beat the snot out of him and forcefully sealed the power away.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Before her death she didn't have access to her ancestors' Old Power, after her death she did, hence why she was more powerful in death. But she did give Skaar full access to this power, and Surfer beat the snot out of him and forcefully sealed the power away.
What? She gained access to the Old Power long before her death. Do you recall when the Spikes hit her village when she was a young girl? This is when she learned that she had the old Power, which is why the Red King sent the Spikes in the first place. He was trying to find an Old Strong iirc.
Originally posted by Stoic
What? She gained access to the Old Power long before her death. Do you recall when the Spikes hit her village when she was a young girl? This is when she learned that she had the old Power, which is why the Red King sent the Spikes in the first place. He was trying to find an Old Strong iirc.
Originally posted by One-Punch
I said she didn't have access to the her [b]ancestors' combined old power until her death. Hence why she was more powerful in death, it had nothing to do with restraint. [/B]
Oh OK I didn't understand. I thought that you meant that she had no control over the Old Power until her death. And I think you're quite correct. At least from what was shown, but later we see a slight retcon or at least a subtle one on the range of power even one without the Ancestor's power could grant an Old Strong in terms of Skaar at least. Good catch, because I didn't realize what you guys were trying to tell me here.
Originally posted by Stoicno yours is pure speculation as you're saying Proxima can't take Ciaras punches yet you have nothing to back that up with.
Well it's actually all just speculation. Neither of them have too many feats. That weapon of Proxima's could be a big problem, but I wouldn't give her the auto win because of it. Proxima didn't show me that she could actually beat someone of this caliber either. Guess that makes both of our opinions on this nothing but speculation.
My opinion is based on that Proxima owned Hulk which is hard fact and we know Hulk is above her
Originally posted by Insane Titan
no yours is pure speculation as you're saying Proxima can't take Ciaras punches yet you have nothing to back that up with.My opinion is based on that Proxima owned Hulk which is hard fact and we know Hulk is above her
The Hulk was fighting both her and Korvus, so she hardly owned him. The idea that he had the weight of a star on him, and wasn't face down on the ground was a good feat for him either way. All the same this is still all speculation, as neither of these characters have much in the way of feats. Don't get me wrong Proxima is a great character, and I'd like to see more of her, but I don't really know who would win. I do know that Caiera isn't a weak character, and can throw a mean punch, as well as being an elite warrior.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
no yours is pure speculation as you're saying Proxima can't take Ciaras punches yet you have nothing to back that up with.My opinion is based on that Proxima owned Hulk which is hard fact and we know Hulk is above her
On the flip side:
Cage gave her a good H2H fight, and we know Caiera is above Cage. She was getting frustrated, unable to put him down.
Whereas (and this is pure speculation and twisting logic, so bear with me) Luke has been knocked over by Iron Fist before - who shattered his hand on another Old Power user, Hiroim. ABC logic, sure, so feel free to ignore it.
As for that spear, Cap managed to get his shield up in time, and a random Wakandan soldier managed to throw his entire body up and shield Shuri from it.
Will need to check my Planet Hulk, as that is the incarnation I am using - but Old Power Caiera could easily use the Earth to throw up barriers to shield herself.
Originally posted by StoicCorvus had moved on to Hyperion when she owned Hulk by herself
The Hulk was fighting both her and Korvus, so she hardly owned him. The idea that he had the weight of a star on him, and wasn't face down on the ground was a good feat for him either way. All the same this is still all speculation, as neither of these characters have much in the way of feats. Don't get me wrong Proxima is a great character, and I'd like to see more of her, but I don't really know who would win. I do know that Caiera isn't a weak character, and can throw a mean punch, as well as being an elite warrior.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Luke has knocked out count Neferia with punches and done well against other class 100's.
On the flip side:Cage gave her a good H2H fight, and we know Caiera is above Cage. She was getting frustrated, unable to put him down.
Whereas (and this is pure speculation and twisting logic, so bear with me) Luke has been knocked over by Iron Fist before - who shattered his hand on another Old Power user, Hiroim. ABC logic, sure, so feel free to ignore it.
As for that spear, Cap managed to get his shield up in time, and a random Wakandan soldier managed to throw his entire body up and shield Shuri from it.
Will need to check my Planet Hulk, as that is the incarnation I am using - but Old Power Caiera could easily use the Earth to throw up barriers to shield herself.
The point is acting like Proxima can't handle punches at all is BS
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Luke has knocked out count Neferia with punches and done well against other class 100's.The point is acting like Proxima can't handle punches at all is BS
True; I just am saying of her three appearances (Wakanda, New york and the final showdown):
Shuri managed to spear her, to quote h1a8, like water, through her shoulder:
http://oi39.tinypic.com/14bt7if.jpg
TBF, she shrugged it off, but so would the Punisher, for example.
Her awesome one shot kill spear was then intercepted by a random Wakandan soldier. Who managed to see it, shout 'Protect the Queen' twice and throw his body in front of it (note how he is behind her at first, assuming its the same soldier) and THEN get hit.
In New York, Cage was drawing blood:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114649/3492319-cage+vs+proxima+midnight.jpg
Though she DID down him temporarily until he found the heart force, plus wtfpwn Spectrum.
Then in the final showdown, she owned Hulk, then Cap managed get his shield up and deflect two (one?) of her spear shafts.
So on average, across these three incidents, I say she is below Caiera, based on the few instances we saw of Caiera in Planet Hulk.
