Re: Speed vs Time
Originally posted by carver9
KMC is filled with people that is excellent with numbers. Can someone answer this for me (Bada and PR...keep this open for a bit). Let's say Surfer decided to destroy countless of planets and he succeeded...He went planet by planet and destroyed each and every last one of them in two Galaxies, including the stars as well. How fast would that make Surfer if you had to guess?
Originally posted by Mindship
Not all figures were wild estimations. There are an estimated 200 to 400 billion stars in our galaxy. This number has been around for decades (may prove to be wrong later, but this is the range astronomers generally consider). More recent figures (based on our planet-finding via star wobbling/periodic dimming) suggest at least several billion Earthlike worlds alone. Systems so far discovered have at least one planet, on average. So I figured (a very conservative estimate) one planet per star.Even if our galaxy has "only" 250 billion stars, that's a total of 500 billion stars/planets just in our galaxy alone, again, not so wild an estimate, given what we've been finding out there. With two galaxies: we now have a trillion celestial bodies to explode.
Each detonation I'm calling an "action." So we have at least a trillion actions to be performed, within a 5-year period. 5 years is roughly 158 million seconds. The math here is straightforward for #actions/second.
Now come the wild estimations. Each travel period from star system to star system, from planet to planet, I'm also calling an "action", and so now there would be a ratio of time-spent-traveling to time-spent-blowing-things-up. You can make this ratio whatever you want, but let's say this raises the number of "actions" needing to be done to 10 trillion. Again, the math is straightforward, involving a mix of conservative figures with liberal/wild estimates.
Thing is, even if I'm off by a factor of 1000 (in one direction), Surfer is till traveling to and blowing up dozens of stars/planets per second: still a feat to make any other herald-level character (*coughthorcough*) blanche. If I'm off by 1000 in the other direction (he's destroying millions/second), then even Galactus would go uh-oh...
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👆 you have to remember...EVERYTHING is being destroyed in that Galaxy which means Black holes, sun, etc...
Good post overall.
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Originally posted by h1a8
when did you say a few years? I don't see that anywhere.Two galaxies in 3 years? That's slow as shit.
So singling everything out and destroying it...everything in multiples of Galaxies is slow. He would have to blow up a star, move to the next one, blow that up, move to the next one or planet. He's not destroying each Galaxies as a hole, he destroying everything in that Galaxies and then moving to the next one.
Originally posted by beatboks
Surfer doesn't (or at least for the last few decades hasn't) use actual speed. His travel through space is always depicted as warp. Warp is a bending of space to make two point closer rather than making one faster to cover the distance. Using the Einstein Rosen bridge theory it's postulated that gravity and electromagnetics both have an effect of bending or warping time and space. The analogy used to describe it most often is to consider the universe to be a piece of paper and two point at opposite ends (dots on the paper) the start and ending point. Instead of traveling in a straight line warp is using a pencil to pierce the paper at one dot and bend it on itself till that dot touches the other and you come out it. Essentially you travel a vast distance in very little time without actually moving any distance.Here is an example
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/37620/790532-silversurfer199612206jx3.jpg
Essentially he could be anywhere in an instant, but it's not speed.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Surfer starts a light show, and then travels from Zenn La to Earth which is supposed to be like 3000 light years away while Alicia was still blindly running through the forrest.And then he traveled forward in time 50 years.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_131_09a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_131_11a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_131_11b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_131_12a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_131_14b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_131_15a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_131_16a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_131_18a.jpg
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Correction, Zenn La is 6000 light years awayhttp://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SSANN02_22a.jpg
And this shows him flying there, no wormhole:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_129_18a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_129_18b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_129_20a.jpg
Yes, he can wormhole about, but that doesn't mean he isn't still incredibly fast.
EDIT: You just showed a scan of billions upon billions of stars racing past him before he entered the wormhole...
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And this shows him flying there, no wormhole:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_129_18a.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_129_18b.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SS_v3_129_20a.jpgYes, he can wormhole about, but that doesn't mean he isn't still incredibly fast.
EDIT: You just showed a scan of billions upon billions of stars racing past him before he entered the wormhole...
Seriously??!! the very first caption on your first scan refers to spending time in the past. The third one shows him coming across his past self. How is this anything but bending of time?? These scans support everything I said.
Also billions of stars pass us in the night sky too (not racing). Know how fast the Earth moves around the sun?? about a 100,000 kmh or 67000 mph. You can travel a hell of a lot slower than light and see billions of stars race by, since light travels almost double that distance per second. So light is 7200 times the speed of the earths orbit. A billion stars move from one plane of view to another for us in just over an hour. At 1/10 the speed of light they'd be a shite load more than "racing by"
Originally posted by beatboksBecause Surfer traveled backwards 50 years in time prior to any of those scans. Hence him traveling 50 years back. What he was currently doing with the traveling had nothing to do with time manipulation. He was just flying fast.
Seriously??!! the very first caption on your first scan refers to spending time in the past. The third one shows him coming across his past self. How is this anything but bending of time?? These scans support everything I said.Also billions of stars pass us in the night sky too (not racing). Know how fast the Earth moves around the sun?? about a 100,000 kmh or 67000 mph. You can travel a hell of a lot slower than light and see billions of stars race by, since light travels almost double that distance per second. So light is 7200 times the speed of the earths orbit. A billion stars move from one plane of view to another for us in just over an hour. At 1/10 the speed of light they'd be a shite load more than "racing by"
Stars don't pass us in a blur. And just looking straight and noting each of the billions upon billions of stars that "race by" doesn't tell me he's going slow.
And tomorrow I'll check that issue as well as I believe there's a tinge more to it
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Originally posted by carver9
So singling everything out and destroying it...everything in multiples of Galaxies is slow. He would have to blow up a star, move to the next one, blow that up, move to the next one or planet. He's not destroying each Galaxies as a hole, he destroying everything in that Galaxies and then moving to the next one.
3 years is a long ass time. Hell a second is almost forever to Flash or even Superman.
Oh wait, you said one at a time? Sorry, I didn't see that. That's fast as shit. I mean really fast. The fastest feat ever in existence. Did you make up this feat?
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Originally posted by h1a8
3 years is a long ass time. Hell a second is almost forever to Flash or even Superman.Oh wait, you said one at a time? Sorry, I didn't see that. That's fast as shit. I mean really fast. The fastest feat ever in existence. Did you make up this feat?
No. I am trying to interpret a ft with someone. It was stated that a character destroyed hundreds of planets along with Galaxies in a few yrs. That can be determined in a few ways...He is either a Galaxy buster or he went planet by planet, star by star and destroyed everything within that time period. If he destroyed Galaxies, that would make him a Galaxy buster...if he destroyed everything one at a time within a few yrs, that would make him the fastest being in comics.
While this thread is full of derp, technically all the character needs to do is destroy the stars because the resulting explosions will destroy most of the neighboring planets, and the amount of time it takes to destroy the stars depends on the method chosen. So the character could zip around transmuting the cores of the stars into iron and let nature run it's course from there in which case it would really just be a matter of how long it would take him to travel to each star and transmute it's core, then how long it takes the star to go nova and obliterate everything near it (though that's only an effective method for certain classes of stars, but would save a lot of time).
