Originally posted by cdtm
I'd pick Alan Scott before Superman, considering his green flame combines the versatility of cosmic power with magic. Speeding up time to evolve a race to extinction, for example. Or whipping up a mace that allowed Hawkman to beat down Black Adam.
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Originally posted by maxivitopowe
That makes no senseWhen you can warp reality a gut who can punch really hard and fast shouldn't be anywhere on your radar
Not to mention, it was technically Alan Scott who beat down Adam easier than Superman or Captain Marvel ever did. Hawkman was just the delivery mechanism, but it's Alans power that made it possible.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman is afraid of fighting Manjobber 👆
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Originally posted by cdtm
Not to mention, it was technically Alan Scott who beat down Adam easier than Superman or Captain Marvel ever did. Hawkman was just the delivery mechanism, but it's Alans power that made it possible.
Re: The Undisputed King
Originally posted by Stoic
Who among the Herald tier is the best? I don't mean solely against each other, but who would be able to handle the greatest variety of threats?I would like this to be more of a mixture of CIS on CIS off debate, because PIS often runs so deep that it muddies the waters of what they can actually do, and what they actually do, or do not do in comics.
Superman
Thor
Silver Surfer
Hulk
Black Bolt
Blue Marvel
Flash
Orion
Wonder Woman
Captain Marvel/Black Adam
Blue Marvel
Hal JordanI know that there are many more that make up this tier, but too many competitors make for a terrible discussion. However if you can think of another character that would be better than the ones mentioned above, name them.
Where's SENTRY?
Re: The Undisputed King
Originally posted by Stoic
Who among the Herald tier is the best? I don't mean solely against each other, but who would be able to handle the greatest variety of threats?I would like this to be more of a mixture of CIS on CIS off debate, because PIS often runs so deep that it muddies the waters of what they can actually do, and what they actually do, or do not do in comics.
Superman
Thor
Silver Surfer
Hulk
Black Bolt
Blue Marvel
Flash
Orion
Wonder Woman
Captain Marvel/Black Adam
Blue Marvel
Hal JordanI know that there are many more that make up this tier, but too many competitors make for a terrible discussion. However if you can think of another character that would be better than the ones mentioned above, name them.
Surfer has the speed, power, and versatility. But may have problems against magical beings.
Superman has the speed and power but lacks versatility and may have problems against magical beings.
Thor has the power and versatility and can do well against magical beings.
I would go with Surfer, although I would choose Thor if he was just as fast. But the high majority of threats are not fast as shit. So Thor would be close. I just think Surfer is more powerful, faster, and has (or uses) more versatility.
Superman is powerful but his mentality is his weakness and his lack of versatility.
Hal is a good choice but his ring needs to be recharged by a battery and his will isn't always strong as it could be. Given that he never runs out of juice and his will is always high then he would be a very close contender. The rest of the characters are lmao No.
Originally posted by pym-ftwBS, Any high herald can beat Thor, even Hulk. Thor's mentality is a weakness (warrior mentality). His lack of speed is a weakness. He need for Mjolnir is a weakness (he's vastly weaker when Mjolnir gets knocked from his hand or he is without it momentarily).
Currently the Correct Answer is Thor.Supes, Manjobber, Surfer & BM are probably the only real guys I could see taking that spot, but honestly if you beat Thor your kinds required to be Trans imho.
Surfer or Superman can beat the shit out of him in a forum fight.
Beating Surfer or Superman with ease puts a characters into Trans category or beyond with no questions asked or no debate at all.
We are talking about who is the best person to have against any random threat, not who will win in a forum fight. Thor would lose in a forum fight against the top heralds but is very close to tops when it comes to defending against random threats (above Superman even). This is because he can deal with magic better and is very versatile and has a good degree of power. Surfer slightly edges him out because of speed, and being more versatile in practice (not theory).
And BM shouldn't be in the discussion since he's nowhere near versatile enough or fast enough.
Originally posted by h1a8Thor of the 3 suffers the least from personality induced hinderances and the fact you say Surfer or Kal can beat a weakened Thor while true is asinine. The fact you believe Mjoinir is the only reason for Thor being in this discussion is pretty telling in itself. BM and honestly Hyperion could easily have cases made for them being in the top spot.
BS, Any high herald can beat Thor, even Hulk. Thor's mentality is a weakness (warrior mentality). His lack of speed is a weakness. He need for Mjolnir is a weakness (he's vastly weaker when Mjolnir gets knocked from his hand or he is without it momentarily).Surfer or Superman can beat the shit out of him in a forum fight.
Beating Surfer or Superman with ease puts a characters into Trans category or beyond with no questions asked or no debate at all.We are talking about who is the best person to have against any random threat, not who will win in a forum fight. Thor would lose in a forum fight against the top heralds but is very close to tops when it comes to defending against random threats (above Superman even). This is because he can deal with magic better and is very versatile and has a good degree of power. Surfer slightly edges him out because of speed, and being more versatile in practice (not theory).
And BM shouldn't be in the discussion since he's nowhere near versatile enough or fast enough.
Originally posted by pym-ftwI'm not referring to holding back. I'm referring to willingness to use exotic powers or being versatile. Thor's warrior mentality often prevents him from fighting that way. He could easily bfr a lot of threats and be done with it but he doesn't. Without Mjolnir, Thor is a low herald easily. He would get dog walked by any mid or high herald level being. Without Mjolnir, Thor has no flight. Without transportation how can you deal with threats? You are as useless as a doorknob.
Thor of the 3 suffers the least from personality induced hinderances and the fact you say Surfer or Kal can beat a weakened Thor while true is asinine. The fact you believe Mjoinir is the only reason for Thor being in this discussion is pretty telling in itself. BM and honestly Hyperion could easily have cases made for them being in the top spot.
Neither BM or Hyperion should be in the discussion because of their lack of versatility.
How can they stop a variety of threats? Can they create shields to protect others, absorb energy, bfr things, transmute matter, etc.? I can think of many different enemies they would be useless against. Even Superman isn't versatile enough to deal with all types of threats.
Surfer, Thor, and Hal are in the discussion because of their versatility.
Surfer is easily number one because of his more consistent versatility, speed, and great power. Thor would be a close number 2 since he has power and potential versatility, but isn't as fast and suffers from fighting like a warrior.