Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Why is that not enough room for a small storm?Blitzing council members, who can easily block multiple blaster bolts and casually outduel GG, before they can react is an impressive speed feat. His lightning can overwhelm Yoda's saber defense despite Yoda's strength, and powerful enough to knock Yoda unconscious with a single blast.
List speed and lightning feats for the council members. How can we compare until you do? Stop wasting your time trying to lowball, and start posting feats for your characters so I can start doing the lowballing.
Post the Jadus TK feat, because I'm not sure if that qualifies as TK.
Also, why is Vitiate, the top dog of his era, struggling with Revan? Sidious proved that he can kill Revan level force users with mere gestures.
There's a difference in lightyears between the one he used on Luke and the one he will use here. There was also a ship that the storm passed which was unaffected by it.
Why would Palpatine be affected by a small storm that is targeting his opponents?
In your opinion. lol
Yes it would probably be less powerful, but still powerful enough to rip a hole in space. How is Jadus going to defend against energies that powerful? Force storms are pure energy to begin with, and Palpatine's can summon energy intense enough to rip holes in the fabric of space/time.
Furthermore, defending against incoming firepower is different than defending against the pull of something that can pull you in. For example, the ships Sidious destroyed have shields which can defend against fire power, but was defenseless against the pull of Sidious' storm.
So mad.
We went over Sidous's ability to drop them instantly on his lap during the Sids v. Nihilus thread. The evidence indicated it would be too risky and likely end horribly.
Lowballing is basically downplaying the feat or arguing the weakest possible interpretation.
Noting that using such an ability instantly while the target of many Mastrr level Sith begs for some decisive proof.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So mad.We went over Sidous's ability to drop them instantly on his lap during the Sids v. Nihilus thread. The evidence indicated it would be too risky and likely end horribly.
Lowballing is basically downplaying the feat or arguing the weakest possible interpretation.
Noting that using such an ability [b]instantly while the target of many Mastrr level Sith
begs for some decisive proof. [/B]
The only argument I remember, is that Sidious never used it in combat, which isn't proof that he can't. Unless he is surrounded, then I see no reason why he can't open a smaller version to target his opponents if he is not in it's vicinity.
Why do you accept Vitiate's off-screen feats when you know little to nothing about them, but when it comes to a feat that Sidious actually performs on-panel, you dismiss it as a feat he can use in combat? On account of what? Because he can't control them? That's not true; he has fine control over them. Because he'll kill himself? Again, how, if he attacks first and is not in it's vicinity? Because he's never used them in combat. Ok, well that I can understand, but then that goes back to my question, which you keep dodging: why do you accept all of Vitiate's feats that he never uses in combat? Those same off-screen feats are the feats you always harp on as a way to imply he is more powerful than Sidious. Why dodge the question? Is it because your answer may show that you're one of the most biased posters on the forum, which is something you constantly complain and accuse others of being?
As for the lowballing, I was talking about Neph's attempts to downplay the canon feats, despite them being greater than anything Vitiate has done in terms of combat.
So basically, you remember different, so I have to prove that he can't use it in a combat situation?
First off, I have seen the panel. Someone, probably LS, posted it awhile back. I am not arguing out of complete ignorance here, as you seem to be recently with Scourge.
Second, it was noted that while he was a master of the technique, it was dangerous, required perfection to use correctly, and could kill him. That might be the Dark Side sourcebook, IIRC. When he used it on Luke, he had great accuracy when spiriting him across the galaxy. The thing is, that was with prep.
4. Why am I being asked to prove a negative?
1. Prep? When was it ever suggested that he required prep? In fact, the Book of Anger has Sidious stating that he can summon one with a mere thought, and goes on to detail how good his control over them are, even capable of killing his opponents from great distances. Luke did mention Sidious doesn't have complete control referring to the large one he used against the republic fleet, but even then, Sidious had almost total control, as was displayed on-panel until he was disconnected from it. The one he used on Luke was said to be almost sentient. So, yeah, you seem just as ignorant on the storms as I was on scourge. At least with scourge, I wasn't making things up.
2. I'm not asking you to prove a negative. I'm asking why do you accept Vitiate's off-screen feats, such as wiping out the dark council? Regarding Palpatine's storm, I have more reasons to believe they can be used in combat: the speed in which he can summon them (which is instantly), the fact that smaller ones seem far more easy to control and less dangerous, and the one he used on Luke had passed close to a small ship without affecting it. The only thing I have against me, is the fact that he's never used one in combat. That's it. However, there is nothing to suggest that he would be devoured by his own storm if he's not in it's vicinity (again: looking back at the ship that was unaffected by a smaller one). With Vitiate's feat of purging the dark council, you know absolutely nothing about it, or how he even accomplished it, plus the fact that he's never used such power in combat when it could have been most useful to him.
Every single member of the Dark Council is a powerful Force-user.
- Thanaton, in particular, is a supremely powerful Sith Lord.
- Marr, in particular, is an absolute master of the dark side and have record of solo-ing Republic armies on the ground.
- Baras is so powerful that he almost fooled others in to believing that he is a Voice of the Emperor.
- Jadus is so powerful that he is believed to be second to Emperor Vitiate by Imperial Intelligence.
Others are no so well-known but they are among the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy nonetheless.
I honestly believe that Dark Council is too much for Team A to cope with and will comfortably win.
4 on 1?
Even with not all the DC as strong as other, that is rather daunting odds. Especially as the moment one of the trio falls, it frees multiple reinforcements.
I give it to the Dark Council quite solidly. There's a reason Jedi Strike Teams work, and those apply here too. A quantity of high-level force users can take down even highest tier force users.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
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Archer reference.
Originally posted by Q99
4 on 1?Even with not all the DC as strong as other, that is rather daunting odds. Especially as the moment one of the trio falls, it frees multiple reinforcements.
I give it to the Dark Council quite solidly. There's a reason Jedi Strike Teams work, and those apply here too. A quantity of high-level force users can take down even highest tier force users.
Pretty much. Everyone takes statements like "very/super/uber/all-powerful" to be worthless and feeb-level except when the character is from a movie.