Oh, this will be a fun one... for the Jedi.
All the Jedi are from a strong order that has benefit of both Clone Wars training (T'ra Saa was Mace Windu's teacher) and other sources that Luke picked up.
Of the Brotherhood, only a minority, the academy students, benefit from a unified training base. Of the others, strength varies significantly depending on territory of origin. Even those taught at the academy don't have access to the depths of knowledge that the Legacy order (or the Legacy order's opponents, the One Sith) do. On the plus side, they have a lot of battle veterans, so there's going to be general competence with a blade, but lower levels of force training hurt.
Both sides have battle meditators- Shere Khan and T'ra Saa. Of those, T'ra Saa is, I would say, solidly superior. She's done very impressive work in complex, multi-sided battle.
The Brotherhood does have some impressive individuals in their lineup, especially in the sword department, but they just don't have the backup and the list of impressive individuals is not super long.
So between superior battle meditation and superior training, what's going to happen is after an initial assault, the Brotherhood lines will collapse when their weaker members falter and find themselves outmatched by their Jedi foes. Kol and co meanwhile are doing just fine against their strong opponents, and reinforcements just turn that into an overwhelming situation. Bane, Kas'im, Kaan, and the other Sith council members all fall.
There'll be a good share of casualties, it is a whole order, but the outcome is not in doubt.
Originally posted by carthage
Even with POD Bane (if he's included at all), he hadn't reached his prime yet to compete with some of the NGO's better combatants i,e Katarn or Jacen.Most of the other characters of this time period are either weak or poorly explored. NGO wins 10/10, or maybe 9/10 depending on if Bane is fighting.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Katarn an d Jacen aren't included... it's the 120 ABY order
Indeed.
Also, while the NJO has some very strong people back in Katarn's time, it's also *tiny*, a mere 500-600 Jedi.
The Late Legacy order here may have the numbers edge, on the flipside, with more like 10k Jedi (not that I have any idea of the BoD's precise numbers, but still, likely 'less than that'😉.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Skere Kaan, not Shere.
Oops 🙂 Knowing it was a Kipling reference, my brain autocorrected incorrectly ^^;
Originally posted by Nalaniel
How strong is an ordinary Legacy Era Jedi?
Likely about as strong as an average CW era Jedi or Luke's era Jedi. They've got a strong tradition with strong, knowledgeable founders, and a number of relatively uncommon powers like Force Barrier are pretty common in the era, showing force knowledge is abundant.
While they haven't had a war recently before the Sith war, they do have competitors in the form of the Imperial Knights, and the wars of Luke's era are recently recent (as well as two council members for whom the Clone Wars is living memory), so they don't have a reason to be complacent.
Originally posted by CHAOS GRIZZLY
Under average.
On what do you base this assumption? 🙂
Really, there's nothing indicating either the Late Legacy Jedi or their opponents, the One Sith, are weak. Both sides were built-up orders that highly sought and valued force knowledge and combat ability. The Jedi literally have access to Clone War training techniques, and Luke's training techniques, both of which were shown quite effective.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
A lot of the clone wars techniques were lost in the Purge though.
Not any known to T'ra Saa and K'Krukh or as PT mentions the Great Holocron, and T'ra Saa was centuries old and involved in teaching Mace Windu.
There's a couple others who passed on knowledge too, and Luke was clearly very capable of making powerful, powerful students with his knowledge.
I mean, it's not like there was a problem to make us think they'd lost knowledge between Luke's time and Kol's. Quite the opposite- in between that time, they found T'ra Saa and K'Kruhk.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm just pointing out that it's not the prime of the Jedi that you seem to think it is.
The Jedi Order's had multiple 'primes'. And there are different definitions and opinions of what makes a 'prime'. You will note I don't use and haven't used 'Prime' in this thread, and generally don't use it in discussion on eras in general unless someone brings it up.
The Clone Wars, to me, is an era I'd describe as one of the largest, in possession of good training (though weak in experience at the start of the war, a situation rectified by the war itself), and in the possession of a number of unusually high-potential people including the highest possession person. Just to lay down how I view it.
If one's argument is 'a lot of CW techniques were lost in the purge,' the obvious counter is 'Even by Luke's time they were knowledgeable enough in the force to train Jedi easily at CW level, and the Legacy Jedi literally have one of the CW Jedi's most knowledgeable members' in them.
The Legacy Jedi were certainly one of the times when the Jedi were numerous (though not as numerous as the Clone Wars), strong (though likely not in possession of as quite as many high-potential people as the CW, and their Skywalker has less potential than the CW Skywalker, if still exceptionally high in potential and with more age and experience), and possessing access to high levels of force knowledge, not in decline or low in numbers or low on force knowledge.
That answer any questions you have on how I rate them?