Smith (s) vs. Dr. Manhattan

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is proof Smith can duplicate any program or any person he comes I to physical contact with so there is that.

Manhattan can duplicate himself but so can Smith after he copies Manhattan. You have no proof he can resist such an ability.

By having a truckload of backup copies, so that if Smith copies one(and that's a big IF), Manhattan can still obliterate him.

Sorry, but that's the way Manhattan's powerset works. He has complete control of atomic structure. What prevents him from disintegrating the Matrix' main servers?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove the sun is encoded in the matrix programming

Originally posted by quanchi112
In the movies beings can leave the matrix but not this fight which clearly states inside the matrix only meaning leaving is abandoning the fight.

Originally posted by Epicurus
No, there's no proof he can do so to someone like Manhattan who has his own brand of relicative powers.

By having a truckload of backup copies, so that if Smith copies one(and that's a big IF), Manhattan can still obliterate him.

Sorry, but that's the way Manhattan's powerset works. He has complete control of atomic structure. What prevents him from disintegrating the Matrix' main servers?

Manhattan can be physically hurt and blown up. Smith can physically copy him unless you prove otherwise.

If Smith copies one he can come back. Being obliterated from Neo didn't stop him either. 😂

You need to prove it. He couldn't even save his own planet. He isn't stopping an entire world of Smith.

Originally posted by Epicurus
The ending scene of third Matrix proves it. Also, every major fight scene which takes place during daytime when the Sun is visible in the sky also proves it.

Originally posted by Epicurus
But how would it be a self-bfr if a Manhattan clone is what escapes outside? And said clone can then easily turn the Matrix into dust, killing Smith and all the other programs.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't up to me to disprove your claim. You need to back your claim. It's about as hypocritical as you in the Q thread.

Manhattan can be physically hurt and blown up. Smith can physically copy him unless you prove otherwise.

If Smith copies one he can come back. Being obliterated from Neo didn't stop him either. 😂

You need to prove it. He couldn't even save his own planet. He isn't stopping an entire world of Smith.

IIRC, the Neo obliteration was the Source sending him back to the mainframe or some such sh1t. He didn't return under his own power.

Then he can make a world of Manhattans to even out the scale. We only saw a city of Smiths anyways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That doesn't mean travel to the sun is possible. Prove it. Prove the. Matrix contains a way to make it to the sun.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Leaving the battlefield is a loss. Prove it. Sith copies him as anyone can physically affect him. They blew him up in the movie.

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Where did the Siths come into all of this?

Originally posted by Epicurus
I already did. Manhattan's own duplication abilities negate Smith's copycat power.

IIRC, the Neo obliteration was the Source sending him back to the mainframe or some such sh1t. He didn't return under his own power.

Then he can make a world of Manhattans to even out the scale. We only saw a city of Smiths anyways.

Why isn't it possible? If Sun exits, then so does space. Or does your OP constrain Manhattan's powers in some other way here?

But it's only a clone doing so. All the other Manhattans are still staying behind. Heck, only one could stay behind while the rest leave the Matrix and it still wouldn't count as bfr.

Where did the Siths come into all of this?

So destroying him didn't completely eradicate him since he didnt return to the source. Thanks for agreeing. That doesn't stop him.

This is the matrix code so you need to prove they implemented a way to get to the sun in the code. 😂

No one can leave the battlefield in this fight. If they do its an illegal maneuver and a forfeit. Smith copies him. You need to prove otherwise. Prove something.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Duplicating yourself has absolutely nothing to do with being copied along with your powers. He can duplicate himself but can also be destroyed. He can also be physically copied. It is also the coding of the Matrix.

So destroying him didn't completely eradicate him since he didnt return to the source. Thanks for agreeing. That doesn't stop him.

This is the matrix code so you need to prove they implemented a way to get to the sun in the code. 😂

No one can leave the battlefield in this fight. If they do its an illegal maneuver and a forfeit. Smith copies him. You need to prove otherwise. Prove something.

Because the Source sent him back. Every program goes to the source upon its destruction/death.

Space travel exists in the 21st century, which is what they modeled the Matrix world after. Manhattan's teleportation abilities weren't coded in the Matrix as well, so going by that logic he can't teleport in the settings provided here. Or utilize any of his numerous other powers.

But that is the point here; it's not Manhattan who's leaving, it's just a mere clone. That doesn't count as bfr more as it counts externally manipulating the Matrix hardware.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes it does. It means another body with identical capabilities exists that he didn't assimilate. Ergo, Smith's copycat powers are useless here.

Because the Source sent him back. Every program goes to the source upon its destruction/death.

Space travel exists in the 21st century, which is what they modeled the Matrix world after. Manhattan's teleportation abilities weren't coded in the Matrix as well, so going by that logic he can't teleport in the settings provided here. Or utilize any of his numerous other powers.

But that is the point here; it's not Manhattan who's leaving, it's just a mere clone. That doesn't count as bfr more as it counts externally manipulating the Matrix hardware.

No, he chose to not go to the source. The source didn't send him back. 😂
Watch the movie, sport.

Prove they encoded space travel into the code. You made the claim. Prove it. Any copy of Smith leaving is him still leaving as he can exist than more than one sentient being at once. That is leaving and isn't allowed. By arguing he needs to escape you concede Smith wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That means that one copy is now Smith with manhattans powers. They aren't useless as they outnumber him. An entire world of Smith is far greater than any cloning seen on screen from Manhattan.

No, he chose to not go to the source. The source didn't send him back. 😂
Watch the movie, sport.

Prove they encoded space travel into the code. You made the claim. Prove it. Any copy of Smith leaving is him still leaving as he can exist than more than one sentient being at once. That is leaving and isn't allowed. By arguing he needs to escape you concede Smith wins.

He admitted that it was because of Neo's imprinting that he was freed from the system. That's not him performing that feat under his own power.

They encoded everything in the 21st century into the Matrix.😬 Do you not know what the 21st century entails? He doesn't need to escape, he could easily turn the electrons/photons in the Matrix circuitry to some other particle, thereby disrupting the entire process and destroying Smith and the Matrix. I proved it: Intrinsic field based powers are a sure shot win here.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Which wouldn't mean much, since Smith is already pretty much all-powerful in the Matrix settings. That was city, not a world shown onscreen. Manhattan made giant clones of himself during the Vietnam war which spanned the entire countryside.

He admitted that it was because of Neo's imprinting that he was freed from the system. That's not him performing that feat under his own power.

They encoded everything in the 21st century into the Matrix.😬 Do you not know what the 21st century entails? He doesn't need to escape, he could easily turn the electrons/photons in the Matrix circuitry to some other particle, thereby disrupting the entire process and destroying Smith and the Matrix. I proved it: Intrinsic field based powers are a sure shot win here.

World>>>countryside. 😂

All programs can either return to the source code or not. Watch the movie.

You made a claim so prove it. You're falling apart these days and provide no evidence. You had an epic meltdown today too. Take a breather, ok ?

Abhi won't even face me yet he baits you and has you bash him left and right. You are playing right into his game and are too blind to see past your own rage.

Show him doing so. Quit arguing never before seen applications in this thread. Manhattan in character wouldn't even deem him a threat and would be copied. In character. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
It means he can create more copies without having to copy someone on his own and have new powers. Of course it means something.

World>>>countryside. 😂

All programs can either return to the source code or not. Watch the movie.

You made a claim so prove it. You're falling apart these days and provide no evidence. You had an epic meltdown today too. Take a breather, ok ?

Abhi won't even face me yet he baits you and has you bash him left and right. You are playing right into his game and are too blind to see past your own rage.

Show him doing so. Quit arguing never before seen applications in this thread. Manhattan in character wouldn't even deem him a threat and would be copied. In character. 🙂

Correction: We only saw a city of Smiths.

I did. He admitted it was because of Neo. He didn't perform the feat under his own power.

I did prove it though.

Says the guy who fled both the Movie VS and Comic VS Forums at one point or another.😂 Coward be thy name, quanchi112.

There's not Matrix in the Watchmenverse for him to perform such a feat, broski. Though I guess in that vein it falls on you to prove that Smith's abilities can even work on a being like Manhattan to begin with.

Originally posted by Epicurus
No it doesn't.

Correction: We only saw a city of Smiths.

I did. He admitted it was because of Neo. He didn't perform the feat under his own power.

I did prove it though.

Says the guy who fled both the Movie VS and Comic VS Forums at one point or another.😂 Coward be thy name, quanchi112.

There's not Matrix in the Watchmenverse for him to perform such a feat, broski. Though I guess in that vein it falls on you to prove that Smith's abilities can even work on a being like Manhattan to begin with.

The entire Matrix was Smith. We are already told this in the film.

No, all programs can either return to the source for deletion or hide in the matrix. He was altered due to Neo but ultimately had the choice whether to be deleted or not.

You don't prove anything. This is no exception to your lack of evidentiary posts.

Look at my post count. When I leave people cry. You are begging mods to let you spam your way to 100,000 posts in six months due to both being a loser and not earning it through debating. Keep posting numbers you troll.

You need to prove he can do so. You can't make up feats. I don't. It is the way of the fanboy, meltdown boy.

Abhilegend won't even face me and you're nothing more than trying to be me. Its pathetic.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does. We see Smith can gain new abilities depending on who he copies ala Oracle.

The entire Matrix was Smith. We are already told this in the film.

No, all programs can either return to the source for deletion or hide in the matrix. He was altered due to Neo but ultimately had the choice whether to be deleted or not.

You don't prove anything. This is no exception to your lack of evidentiary posts.

Look at my post count. When I leave people cry. You are begging mods to let you spam your way to 100,000 posts in six months due to both being a loser and not earning it through debating. Keep posting numbers you troll.

You need to prove he can do so. You can't make up feats. I don't. It is the way of the fanboy, meltdown boy.

Abhilegend won't even face me and you're nothing more than trying to be me. Its pathetic.

😂

Yet we only saw a city of him in the end. Country>>>>City.

They only do so via the Merovingian. Whom Smith never tried to contact. Neo's alteration took that choice away from him.

I do so. You refuse to admit it.

But most of your post history consists of shitposts. Which is exactly how people get these massive post counts; via shitposting. Which you're quite good at.

His ability to transmute matter and telekinetic control over it. Point proven. Manhattan is essentially a naked, blue Molecule Man with the ability to see the future. 👆

Originally posted by Epicurus
Doesn't mean he can do the same to a being that has his own duplication ability. You're applying a no-limits-fallacy imo.

Yet we only saw a city of him in the end. Country>>>>City.

They only do so via the Merovingian. Whom Smith never tried to contact. Neo's alteration took that choice away from him.

I do so. You refuse to admit it.

But most of your post history consists of shitposts. Which is exactly how people get these massive post counts; via shitposting. Which you're quite good at.

His ability to transmute matter and telekinetic control over it. Point proven. Manhattan is essentially a naked, blue Molecule Man with the ability to see the future. 👆

He spread throughout the entire matrix. Only I can stop him. --Neo
Watch the movie.

No, Smith had a choice. He was compelled to disobey. Smith was already acting human like in part one apart from the other agents as well. By the end of the series he was more humanlike whereas Neo understood the machines more.

I debate I don't set out to post numbers in the off topic. You're trying to be me. People noticed. You're a pretender.

He never did the tactic you described. It isn't in character. He didn't nuke an entire country to win a war. In character. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am not. Smith can copy those in the matrix and Manhattan can be physically affected.

He spread throughout the entire matrix. Only I can stop him. --Neo
Watch the movie.

No, Smith had a choice. He was compelled to disobey. Smith was already acting human like in part one apart from the other agents as well. By the end of the series he was more humanlike whereas Neo understood the machines more.

I debate I don't set out to post numbers in the off topic. You're trying to be me. People noticed. You're a pretender.

He never did the tactic you described. It isn't in character. He didn't nuke an entire country to win a war. In character. 🙂

Which is why their battle was limited to a city. Great logic there.

No, the choice got taken away from him the moment Neo imprinted on him and overwrote his code.

Except for the countless times he does so throughout the movie. From deconstructing the tank, to building his fragile silicon fortress, to having the power to nuke entire cities(Adrian used his power stored in the generators to kill 15 millions people). Control over atomic structure.

He didn't have to nuke Vietnam to win a war. His presence was terrifying enough to cause the Vietcong to bow out of awe and horror. They pretty much saw him as a god.

Originally posted by Epicurus
No he can't Manhattan shrugged off having his particles disintegrated as minor annoyance.

Which is why their battle was limited to a city. Great logic there.

No, the choice got taken away from him the moment Neo imprinted on him and overwrote his code.

Except for the countless times he does so throughout the movie. From deconstructing the tank, to building his fragile silicon fortress, to having the power to nuke entire cities(Adrian used his power stored in the generators to kill 15 millions people). Control over atomic structure.

He didn't have to nuke Vietnam to win a war. His presence was terrifying enough to cause the Vietcong to bow out of awe and horror. They pretty much saw him as a god.

They battled in one city. So ? He overtook the entire matrix. Neo stated it. You're an awful debater.

Nope. Smith had the choice and chose to stay. Chose to disobey.

He never did so on this wide a scale and fought a war without doing so. He doesn't use his power this way. That is the point. Smith easily beats him.

Smith overtook the planet which is greater than Vietnam.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
But they were still destroyed. Smith is going to override and copy him.

They battled in one city. So ? He overtook the entire matrix. Neo stated it. You're an awful debater.

Nope. Smith had the choice and chose to stay. Chose to disobey.

He never did so on this wide a scale and fought a war without doing so. He doesn't use his power this way. That is the point. Smith easily beats him.

Smith overtook the planet which is greater than Vietnam.

🙂

Did it ever occur to you that the Matrix could only be limited to a city-based simulated reality? Because that is what it was as portrayed in the movies.

Why didn't he go through the Merovingian then?😂 Did you even watch the movie?

False again. He ended the war within a week. He synthesized enough amounts of lithium to make all the cars in the world electric-powered. Control over atomic structure. Look it up.

City!=planet. Country>>City.

Manhattan is a god to Smith. Victory for the good Dr