Originally posted by carver9Yes, it can be refuted, because nothing supports it. Heck, Goku traveled to one of the planets Broly had attacked in the south galaxy. All of the planet's inhabitants appeared to have been killed by the surface-level destruction Broly had caused to it, but the planet itself was still intact--as was a planet in the background/same general vicinity(see my previous post.) Point: Broly didn't even destroy the planets he personally visited.
Aaaahhhhh. So that is why we see the devastation of a Galaxy? He might didn't completely destroy it but he damaged the hell out of one though. That can not be refuted.
Furthermore: restrained-SSJ Broly~base-level Goku. As of BoG, base-level Goku's PL <120m(ie. sub-Frieza-level)--and base-level Goku would've logically been even weaker during the Cell-era. This means restrained-SSJ Broly would have also been sub-Frieza-level by proxy. This is important because Frieza most certainly could NOT destroy a large percentage of a galaxy in one fell swoop, so why in the hell would I assume that restrained-SSJ Broly and/or base-level Goku could do so, given that they were both WEAKER than Frieza? Think.
srsly
Hell, even Super-Perfect Cell, with his gargantuan ego+SSJ2-esque power, only speculated that he could destroy a solar system... And even a solar system is several orders of magnitude smaller than a galaxy.
ie. SPC>>>>>>>Frieza~/>base-level Goku(Buu-era)>base-level Goku(Cell-era)~restrained-SSJ Broly.
...Yet the latter can somehow release galaxy-devastating attacks in your world? Lol.
@ Galan...
I agree with your assessment of the showing, he didn't destroy "everything" but again, he devastated a Galaxy. I don't think you are getting what I mean by that. As shown in the vid, a good chunk of the Galaxy was destroyed. It was near untraceable. Some stars and planets did survive but again, the Galaxy itself was in ruins and he did it in one big swoop going by what was shown and how quick it disappeared. Just think of it like this...if Surfers blast takes out a planet but there is still rocks and stuff floating around, it is still considered a planet buster, at worst, the planet was in ruins. Some parts of it is still left but it doesn't take away from what he achieved. Broly at his weakest "ruined" a Galaxy in no time at all (as shown on the vid). At a higher rate of power, it's obvious he could achieve much more.
Also, iirc, in the Manga, didn't Goku and Vegeta compare Frieza to Buu when thy said Buu destroyed hundreds of planets and a Galaxy?
Originally posted by carver9The opening sequence depicts the entire galaxy being erased in one fell swoop. That is not what happened, as apparent by the in-film evidence I have painstakingly broken down for you. I also wouldn't say the galaxy had been 'devastated'(as you claim) either--not based on what we saw, at least. A being WEAKER than Frieza(ie. restrained-SSJ Broly) simply does not operate on that scale. I think Broly destroyed a few planets, and *may* have *eventually* caused galactic 'devastation' IF left unchecked--the most canon Jap-dub of the opening sequences states as much. However, he was never left unchecked, was he?
@ Galan...I agree with your assessment of the showing, he didn't destroy "everything" but again, he devastated a Galaxy. I don't think you are getting what I mean by that. As shown in the vid, a good chunk of the Galaxy was destroyed. It was near untraceable. Some stars and planets did survive but again, the Galaxy itself was in ruins and he did it in one big swoop going by what was shown and how quick it disappeared. Just think of it like this...if Surfers blast takes out a planet but there is still rocks and stuff floating around, it is still considered a planet buster, at worst, the planet was in ruins. Some parts of it is still left but it doesn't take away from what he achieved. Broly at his weakest "ruined" a Galaxy in no time at all (as shown on the vid). At a higher rate of power, it's obvious he could achieve much more.
Once you get that opening visual out of your head, and unbiasedly examine ALL the evidence at hand(if you're capable of such), you'll realize how ludicrous your opinion is. I say again: a being WEAKER than Frieza(ie. restrained-SSJ Broly) simply does not operate on that scale.
Originally posted by carver9This was never stated in the manga. You're thinking of the anime.
Also, iirc, in the Manga, didn't Goku and Vegeta compare Frieza to Buu when thy said Buu destroyed hundreds of planets and a Galaxy?
Originally posted by NemeBroYouTube video
You're arguing with someone who has seriously argued that Freeza is a universe buster Galan.Be aware of that.
Ty for the info. In that case, I'm done now. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
The opening sequence depicts the entire galaxy being erased in one fell swoop. That is not what happened, as apparent by the in-film evidence I have painstakingly broken down for you. I also wouldn't say the galaxy had been 'devastated'(as you claim) either--not based on what we saw, at least. A being WEAKER than Frieza(ie. restrained-SSJ Broly) simply does not operate on that scale. I think Broly destroyed a few planets, and *may* have *eventually* caused galactic 'devastation' IF left unchecked--the most canon Jap-dub of the opening sequences states as much. However, he was never left unchecked, was he?Once you get that opening visual out of your head, and unbiasedly examine ALL the evidence at hand(if you're capable of such), you'll realize how ludicrous your opinion is. I say again: a being WEAKER than Frieza(ie. restrained-SSJ Broly) simply does not operate on that scale.
This was never stated in the manga. You're thinking of the anime.
A planet Galan? Really. What do we see during the opening? A galaxy vanishing. There was still pieces left but not enough for us not to think of it as what I said. We didn't get a close up of the Galaxy after it was devastated. When Goku IT through the Galaxy, we clearly see some of it survived, but we also seen where MOST of it was destroyed as shown during the opening. Like I've stated before, your post was spot on. You proved that pieces, of the Galaxy was still intact but again, as we clearly see, a huge chunk of it was gone in a flash.
Also, uuuummmm, we never seen a cap on Frieza. You are trying to use a guy as a comparison (Frieza) that annihilated a planet bigger and denser than Earth with his index finger only using a fraction of his first form power which was only 0.025% of his true power. Not a good idea Galan.
Also, is this not legit?
Originally posted by carver9...You're ignoring the most-canon Jap-dub of the film, in favor of your own personal fan-wank. The Jap-dub outright confirms that the opening sequence was a premonition of what might EVENTUALLY happen to the south galaxy IF Broly were left unchecked. It did NOT depict an event that had already occurred.
A planet Galan? Really. What do we see during the opening? A galaxy vanishing. There was still pieces left but not enough for us not to think of it as what I said. We didn't get a close up of the Galaxy after it was devastated. When Goku IT through the Galaxy, we clearly see some of it survived, but we also seen where MOST of it was destroyed as shown during the opening. Like I've stated before, your post was spot on. You proved that pieces, of the Galaxy was still intact but again, as we clearly see, a huge chunk of it was gone in a flash.
Cementing this fact is that the opening sequence depicts the south galaxy being entirely erased--literally nothing was left except a black void of nothingness. However, we know the south galaxy WAS still intact, because we were shown several planets and thousands of stars during the film--this alone ENTIRELY NEGATES the opening sequence. Simple logic is simple.
Does the artist have to individually draw billions/trillions of planets and stars for you to understand that the galaxy was NOT destroyed, or are you capable of comprehending utterly remedial facts?
You can't be this stupid.
Originally posted by carver9😂 This tells me that you have absolutely no clue regarding the scale of a galaxy. No clue at all.
Also, uuuummmm, we never seen a cap on Frieza. You are trying to use a guy as a comparison (Frieza) that annihilated a planet bigger and denser than Earth with his index finger only using a fraction of his first form power which was only 0.025% of his true power. Not a good idea Galan.
Final-form Frieza was roughly 227x more powerful than base-form Frieza. So even if you scale up his base-form's planet-busting feat, it still doesn't equate to him destroying so much as a solar system.... Let alone a friggin' galaxy. Why do you think Super-Perfect Cell(of whom possessed Frieza's massive ego+SSJ2-level power) only boasted that HE could destroy a solar system?
...Yet I am to believe that restrained-SSJ Broly, and by proxy: base-level Goku(both of whom were WEAKER than Frieza), can destroy large percentages of a galaxy? Lol, Jesus Christ.
You can't be this stupid.
Originally posted by carver9Here's a translated page taken straight from mangafox(which I trust over anything else in terms of accuracy):
Also, is this not legit?
Regardless, even IF your scan is correct, it still took 'a few yearS' for Buu to destroy said galaxies--which means he did so over time, and not in one fell swoop. No character short of Bills is a confirmed insta-galaxy-buster in the DBZ mythos. That is an undeniable fact. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
...You're ignoring the most-canon Jap-dub of the film, in favor of your own personal fan-wank. The Jap-dub outright confirms that the opening sequence was a premonition of what might EVENTUALLY happen to the south galaxy IF Broly were left unchecked. It did NOT depict an event that had already occurred.Cementing this fact is that the opening sequence depicts the south galaxy being entirely erased--literally nothing was left except a black void of nothingness. However, we know the south galaxy WAS still intact, because we were shown several planets and thousands of stars during the film--this alone ENTIRELY NEGATES the opening sequence. Simple logic is simple.
Does the artist have to individually draw billions/trillions of planets and stars for you to understand that the galaxy was NOT destroyed, or are you capable of comprehending utterly remedial facts?
You can't be this stupid.
😂 This tells me that you have absolutely no clue regarding the scale of a galaxy. No clue at all.
Final-form Frieza was roughly 227x more powerful than base-form Frieza. So even if you scale up his base-form's planet-busting feat, it still doesn't equate to him destroying so much as a solar system.... Let alone a friggin' galaxy. Why do you think Super-Perfect Cell(of whom possessed Frieza's massive ego+SSJ2-level power) only boasted that HE could destroy a solar system?
...Yet I am to believe that restrained-SSJ Broly, and by proxy: base-level Goku(both of whom were WEAKER than Frieza), can destroy large percentages of a galaxy? Lol, Jesus Christ.
You can't be this stupid.
Here's a translated page taken straight from mangafox(which I trust over anything else in terms of accuracy):
Regardless, even IF your scan is correct, it still took 'a few yearS' for Buu to destroy said galaxies--which means he did so over time, and not in one fell swoop. No character short of Bills is a confirmed insta-galaxy-buster in the DBZ mythos. That is an undeniable fact. 🙂
Didn't know the Japanese version said something different. Do you have the link for the vid?
I never said anything about the planet equals a Galaxy. What i said was, we can't use Frieza as a pedestal when we have as of yet to see his true potential. It had to be pretty high for people to keep calling him a universal threat. A planetary guy isn't a threat to a universe Galan.
Lol...Cell never said that was his limit. He basically said what the blast was going to do once it exploded and this was during the beginning of his initial attack. During the end, that power multiplied by no telling how much.
Destroying GALAXIES in a FEW yrs is still an insane skyfather level ft tbh. No Herald or trans tier can do it and again, if my scan is legit and Buu was compared to Frieza, then...
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Lol, so you'd rather place no-limits fallacies on your 'pet' characters, instead of accepting on-panel statements/feats/evidence..? Idiocy at it's finest.Now I see why NemeBro warned me not to waste my time... I should have listened. 👆
I'm not placing a no limit fallacy though. I'm just pointing out fact tbh. Frieza was more than planetary. Don't think you'll deny this.
I'm not disagreeing with you about Broly either...I just asked for evidence, that's all.
What i said about Cell was true as well. His initial attack was confirmed as solar system busting. By the end of that, the blasting power was increased significantly. I'm not the one who are bringing up these characters (Frieza and Cell). You are doing that.
You're still cool with me though Galan.
Originally posted by carver9Yes, you are. You're essentially saying: "just because it wasn't shown or stated, doesn't mean it wasn't possible." Where these types of discussions are concerned, that is called a 'no-limits fallacy'. Feats take precedence first, then validated statements. If neither one supports you, and/or you are contradicted by another piece of evidence, then you are wrong. Simple. 🙂
I'm not placing a no limit fallacy though. I'm just pointing out fact tbh. Frieza was more than planetary. Don't think you'll deny this.I'm not disagreeing with you about Broly either...I just asked for evidence, that's all.
What i said about Cell was true as well. His initial attack was confirmed as solar system busting. By the end of that, the blasting power was increased significantly. I'm not the one who are bringing up these characters (Frieza and Cell). You are doing that.
You're still cool with me though Galan.
Anywho, obviously Frieza was > planetary. However, he was still far less than solar system-level, even IF you scale up his base-form feat. This is important because restrained-SSJ Broly was WEAKER than Frieza... Yet you'd have me believe he can whimsically cause galactic devastation? Lol, can you at least understand why I find your 'logic' so stupid?
The only reason I brought up Cell was in regard to his solar system statement. Cell has a MASSIVE ego and would have NEVER low-balled himself--he also possessed SSJ2-level power at the time(making him a few x more powerful than Frieza.) Despite these factors, he still only spoke of solar system-level destruction... And a single solar system equates to an insignificant micro-fraction of an entire galaxy.
So if we take Cell's statement at face value, it would mean that restrained-SSJ Broly(and base-level Goku by proxy) would have to be capable of producing attacks SEVERAL orders of magnitude GREATER than Super-Perfect Cell's Kamehameha, in order for them to destroy a large percentage of the galaxy. If you believe they were capable of such, you're stupid.
You can probably find the english translation on Youtube. I've posted it before.
you guys are comic fanboys i love both comics and anime and thor couldnt beat one dbz character you would know that if you actualy watched dbz idiots i admit if thor landed one FULL POWER hit it would do some damage mabey even kill a character like yamcha but you guys obviously dont watch dbz at all because if you did you would know that thor is not even close to as fast as any dbz character many dbz characters move several times the speed of light. and thor is fast but not on light speed level he barely moves faster than the ey can see
so he would never be able to hit them face it.
U MAD :]
Claiming DBZ is lightspeed and that we don't watch DBZ because we know it loses using the anime as a source, while downplaying comics, in one post
This is like 2006 again isn't it?
Anyone wanna bet this clown will start nitpicking PIS and low end "feats" for Thor to say he loses before this is over? Or use the movies as a source? Anyone?
